<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div class="">October 29, 2021</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Rubens, Adam, Steve, Tim, Keren, Ae, and everyone on the SW List -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks to everyone for your interest in new handshapes….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Have you all seen a book that Rubens and his team already wrote about this subject? It is a lovely publication ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img alt="Configuracoes de Mao" title="Configuracoes de Mao" apple-inline="yes" id="969B0D09-F026-488D-8A02-AB0E3A9A2182" src="cid:8A99DD89-57F2-40A0-AD69-5AF9A630AEC8" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs13/sw1242_BR_INVENTARIO_DAS_CM_ELS_SW_Prof_Rubens_Almeida_04252020.pdf" class="">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs13/sw1242_BR_INVENTARIO_DAS_CM_ELS_SW_Prof_Rubens_Almeida_04252020.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It gladdens my heart to learn that you are working on the idea of providing add-on software for new handshapes, Rubens.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Steve is working full-time elsewhere and is donating his time to SignWriting on the weekends, and I am retired but working anyway (smile)! So we all, including Adam and other friends and signwriters, are donating our time and all of you too - here on the SignWriting List - sharing ideas and supporting each other -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So thank you, Rubens. Have you started some kind of a record of the requests for new handshapes all over the world? Or is your work confined tro LIBRAS?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How do you propose going about this kind of a database?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" class="">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello Valerie, Adam and members of SWList,<br class=""><br class="">Indeed, this theme is the object of our research, because here in Brazil, Libras has many handshape that are not included in ISWA 2010, we are even working on the publication of the second volume of the book that makes this record with more handshape sent after the public consultation held in April 2020.<br class=""><br class="">I will insert in our proposal a request for partnership in some Brazilian university that is interested in supporting us with a project with software developers to create an "add-on" program or other alternative to help in this regard.<br class=""><br class="">We are hopeful that we will soon have a solution 😊🙏<br class=""><br class="">Hugs!<br class="">____________________<br class=""><br class="">Em ter., 26 de out. de 2021 às 18:09, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> escreveu:<br class="">SignWriting List<br class="">October 28, 2021<br class=""><br class="">First, I want to welcome a new member to our List, Keren Cumberbatch. Thank you, Keren, for the questions about constructing handshapes.<br class=""><br class="">Second, many thanks to Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae), for your help. I do so appreciate it.<br class=""><br class="">Before you joined, Keren, Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae) had already been discussing your handshapes in question:<br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="F8CC6A59-7BBD-4A86-9675-6140CC77D5D4" width="166" height="152" src="cid:17cc27433918892f5831" class=""> <img apple-inline="yes" id="4CE4A638-F2A2-4E1D-933F-150583626B31" width="138" height="152" src="cid:17cc27433921d17e0752" class="">.<br class=""><br class="">I believe we all agree on the first one:<br class=""><br class="">It is the thumb inside a fist, with the index finger extended. It would be two handshapes combined:<br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="BCD89C45-6C01-4645-9A2F-EC95C1226B4B" width="93" height="31" src="cid:17cc27433929d2f7cdf3" class=""><br class=""><br class="">and of course there are different palm facings. This handshape needs to be constructed because it is not a part of the official ISWA 2010 symbolset. But all the pieces are there for you. Do you know how to access and find those shapes in SignPuddle Online? I do not know how SooSL works with handshapes.<br class=""><br class="">The second handshape is hard to see in the photo, but Adam and Sutthikhun made different suggestions - You can find their earlier messages in the SW List Archives for today:<br class=""><br class="">Archive 4<br class="">https://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<br class=""><br class="">From your description, “ The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side”, and looking at the suggestions, it looks like to me that it is an R hand (crossed fingers) angled forward, like the Letter N in ASL, but the thumb goes to the side, like this:<br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="6C7F8A24-927D-4BA5-8FDE-D23D4AC30F03" width="112" height="80" src="cid:17cc27433939d3d94604" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">As you can see, this is also a constructed handshape and even if you want to write it differently than I have posted above, we do not have it in the ISWA 2010 either - so both handshapes have to be constructed.<br class=""><br class="">So what to do about needing more handshapes in the ISWA? It would be so much chaos for the software developers who have already built their software on the current symbolset to change the current symbolset now - the best thing we could try, is for brave software developers to develop an “add-on” program that could somehow be accessed on the side, while still keeping the current software in tact.<br class=""><br class="">How do other people feel about this? Rubens Almeida and others have also requested more handshapes. Is there anyone who can help this issue?<br class=""><br class="">Val ;-)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----------------<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 25, 2021, at 6:46 PM, K Cumberbatch <mehrarbeite@gmail.com> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Dear Ms Sutton,<br class=""><br class="">I am using SooSL for my research project and I noticed there are some handshapes that are not included. I contacted Tim Grove. He said that the handshapes are from SignWriting and I can contact SignWriting directly about adding handshapes. I would like to know if new handshapes will be added in the near future and if it is possible to add the 2 handshapes in the attached pictures so that they can be included in SooSL. The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Keren Cumberbatch.<br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="7FD5AD15-95AD-4052-977A-0532C1810269" width="166" height="152" src="cid:17cc2743393ae0c228a5" class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="ADE2DC72-0024-4CEF-82F2-CA0298169629" width="138" height="152" src="cid:17cc274339363a0fd496" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class=""><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><div class="">Val ;-)<br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></span><br class=""><span><img apple-inline="yes" id="05F56158-4B31-41E2-B4BB-7E67182E3044" src="cid:4115CBC4-6D28-4FCE-A7AB-29F39F83B03A@san.rr.com" class=""></span><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton<br class=""><a href="mailto:sutton@signwiting.org" class="">sutton@signwiting.org</a></div><br class=""></div></body></html>________________________________________________
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