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    Hi Uta,<br>
    <br>
    You may be interested in my presentation about SignMaker with video
    and slides.<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html</a><br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    -Steve<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/21 5:32 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,
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        <div>Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. She helps
          a lot. :) And I used the time to get to know signMaker better.
          Not just writing, but getting to know the import and export
          function.<br>
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        <div>I have questions:</div>
        <div>- I want to import a js-File. </div>
        <div>-> I chose "Mehr" (more) "System" (system) , then
          "Dictionary source", then "Import Dictionary". Nothing
          happens. So, I copied part of the exported file and pasted it
          into the empty text box for javaScript text. Nothing happens.
          Then I clicked "Import Dictionary", hoping that the dictionary
          would now be loaded. Nothing happens. </div>
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        <div>What should I do to get a private dictionary? </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>"It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet
          information using a link such as: <span
            style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53</a></span>,
          which is the DGS dictionary puddle."</div>
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        <div>Is it possible to change the alphabet? Or we get a new
          item? I'm not very familiar with FSW, it would be cool if we
          can adjust the groupings too.</div>
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        <div>"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Another avenue that I
            haven’t used much lately is the RAND keyboard that is
            connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs
            pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it
            also uses many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it
            has several of the desired features mentioned. I can explain
            that some if you would like."</span></div>
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        <div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't know this, but I
            like learning. :) </span></div>
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        <div>Greetings<br>
          Uta</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:39
          PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hello Uta and all,
            <div><br>
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            <div>Got a good discussion going on. So there's a lot to
              say. :-)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I have transcribed several signs, but mostly from
              personal knowledge rather than videos. Still, I can see
              taking 3 minutes for each sign can be too long. I am not
              sure how long it takes me to directly transcribe. I think
              it really depends on the sign, but I don’t think it takes
              me an average of 3 minutes a sign. Maybe 2 or 1 1/2. But
              that is still about 30-40 minutes for 20 signs, which
              might be longer than you would like.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>A lot of times, I do as others have mentioned, copying
              signs previously written elsewhere, and then modify it as
              needed. I usually use SignPuddle to Search by Symbol to
              find something that I am looking for. Although I have
              gotten pretty good at using the Drag and Drop method in
              SignPuddle to transcribe directly without searching and
              then editing.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>As far as using a smaller symbol set (or alphabet) than
              the ISWA, it is possible within SignMaker 2017.  You can
              select the alphabet used by a specific SignPuddle. I use
              that sometimes as well. Then I copy the FSW and import it
              into SignPuddle as you can’t directly save back into the
              SignPuddle. (You might have to go into More >
              Preferences and select FSW to get that code under the Edit
              tab.) A<font color="#000000"><span>lthough SignMaker 2017
                  does have a My Local Dictionary feature that you can
                  copy, export, and import with other dictionaries and
                  then you can edit information directly into
                  the dictionary locally.</span></font></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet
              information using a link such as: <span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53</a></span>,
              which is the DGS dictionary puddle.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Here is the link for
                SignMaker 2017 using the DGS SignPuddle with its
                alphabet: </span><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg</a><span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">.</span></div>
            <div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div><font color="#000000">Another avenue that I haven’t
                used much lately is the RAND keyboard that is connected
                to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs
                pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because
                it also uses many of the features mentioned with
                SignPuddle, it has several of the desired features
                mentioned. I can explain that some if you would like.</font></div>
            <div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">That is what I currently
                use for transcription. Now if we want to talk about
                improving things for the better, I like the idea of the </span><font
                color="#000000">stylus input and IME. I don’t have a lot
                of programming <span>experience in those matters, but I
                  suspect that it is possible to create with
                  SignWriting.</span></font></div>
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                  <div>On Nov 26, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Duncan <<a
                      href="mailto:joyoduncan@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">joyoduncan@GMAIL.COM</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
                  <br>
                  <div>
                    <div>If you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no
                      saving capability in this one, but the same is in
                      SignWriter Studio and can save) Try it here.<br>
                      <br>
                      <a
                        href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/</a><br>
                      <br>
                      or<br>
                      <br>
                      <a
href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en</a><br>
                      <br>
                      Jonathan<br>
                      <br>
                      On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote type="cite">Hi Uta,<br>
                        <br>
                            I agree that is a very useful idea. I found
                        myself copying existing signs and modifying them
                        to save work.  Mostly I had to remember the
                        signs I needed to copy them and modify them.<br>
                        <br>
                            It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature
                        that does just that.  Import your puddle, then
                        start writing and it can filter the puddle to
                        show signs that match on the left.  Alas, you
                        can't easily save the sign back to the public
                        puddles.<br>
                        <br>
                            SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol
                        too and you can import a puddle to have a
                        starting point. And you can also duplicate
                        entries to easily modify the duplicated one. 
                        And if you have a SignPuddle account you can
                        save it back to the public puddle.  It also has
                        quick sign editor which makes it easier to get
                        to all the symbols and easily change a symbol to
                        another rotation etc. However it only works on
                        Windows.  If you're interested, I can show you
                        how to do it on a Zoom call.<br>
                        <br>
                        Jonathan<br>
                        <br>
                        On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br>
                          <br>
                          So far, we, delegs (is working with
                          sign2mint), have received about 2000 videos
                          and have also transcribed them. We have been
                          able to gain a lot of experience
                          with signwriting.<br>
                          <br>
                          Who also has experience?<br>
                          <br>
                          We need about one hour for 20 videos and that
                          is too much. We want to go faster. One video
                          is only about 2 seconds long.<br>
                          <br>
                          My suggestion:<br>
                          - Sign search must be built in, because many
                          signs are similar. And it should be suggested
                          signs and if I find a similar one, then I
                          choose it and adjust it.<br>
                          - Handshape symbol should always be placed in
                          the middle if neutral (want to avoid long
                          dragging)<br>
                          - Language selection should lead to reduction
                          of symbols like hand shapes. DGS, for example,
                          has only about 60 hand shapes.<br>
                          - Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical
                          should be inserted automatically.<br>
                          <br>
                          What do you think?<br>
                          <br>
                          I am looking forward to our animated exchange!<br>
                          <br>
                          Best regards Uta<br>
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