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Hi Uta,<br>
<br>
You may be interested in my presentation about SignMaker with video
and slides.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/21 5:32 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CADsT5uUh2P=d6E0fuFtfLqmOKHg0xWKpiYZkr_vCnKbh8tyqKQ@mail.gmail.com">
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. She helps
a lot. :) And I used the time to get to know signMaker better.
Not just writing, but getting to know the import and export
function.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have questions:</div>
<div>- I want to import a js-File. </div>
<div>-> I chose "Mehr" (more) "System" (system) , then
"Dictionary source", then "Import Dictionary". Nothing
happens. So, I copied part of the exported file and pasted it
into the empty text box for javaScript text. Nothing happens.
Then I clicked "Import Dictionary", hoping that the dictionary
would now be loaded. Nothing happens. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What should I do to get a private dictionary? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet
information using a link such as: <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53</a></span>,
which is the DGS dictionary puddle."</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible to change the alphabet? Or we get a new
item? I'm not very familiar with FSW, it would be cool if we
can adjust the groupings too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Another avenue that I
haven’t used much lately is the RAND keyboard that is
connected to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs
pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because it
also uses many of the features mentioned with SignPuddle, it
has several of the desired features mentioned. I can explain
that some if you would like."</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't know this, but I
like learning. :) </span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Greetings<br>
Uta</div>
<div><br>
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<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:39
PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hello Uta and all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Got a good discussion going on. So there's a lot to
say. :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have transcribed several signs, but mostly from
personal knowledge rather than videos. Still, I can see
taking 3 minutes for each sign can be too long. I am not
sure how long it takes me to directly transcribe. I think
it really depends on the sign, but I don’t think it takes
me an average of 3 minutes a sign. Maybe 2 or 1 1/2. But
that is still about 30-40 minutes for 20 signs, which
might be longer than you would like.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A lot of times, I do as others have mentioned, copying
signs previously written elsewhere, and then modify it as
needed. I usually use SignPuddle to Search by Symbol to
find something that I am looking for. Although I have
gotten pretty good at using the Drag and Drop method in
SignPuddle to transcribe directly without searching and
then editing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As far as using a smaller symbol set (or alphabet) than
the ISWA, it is possible within SignMaker 2017. You can
select the alphabet used by a specific SignPuddle. I use
that sometimes as well. Then I copy the FSW and import it
into SignPuddle as you can’t directly save back into the
SignPuddle. (You might have to go into More >
Preferences and select FSW to get that code under the Edit
tab.) A<font color="#000000"><span>lthough SignMaker 2017
does have a My Local Dictionary feature that you can
copy, export, and import with other dictionaries and
then you can edit information directly into
the dictionary locally.</span></font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is possible for programmers to get the alphabet
information using a link such as: <span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/alphabet.php?ui=1&sgn=53</a></span>,
which is the DGS dictionary puddle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Here is the link for
SignMaker 2017 using the DGS SignPuddle with its
alphabet: </span><a
href="https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.signbank.org/signmaker/#?ui=de&alphabet=gsg&dictionary=gsg</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><font color="#000000">Another avenue that I haven’t
used much lately is the RAND keyboard that is connected
to Wikipedia. It allows for typing signs
pretty efficiently once you have learned it. And because
it also uses many of the features mentioned with
SignPuddle, it has several of the desired features
mentioned. I can explain that some if you would like.</font></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">That is what I currently
use for transcription. Now if we want to talk about
improving things for the better, I like the idea of the </span><font
color="#000000">stylus input and IME. I don’t have a lot
of programming <span>experience in those matters, but I
suspect that it is possible to create with
SignWriting.</span></font></div>
<div><br>
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Adam</span>
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<div>On Nov 26, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Duncan <<a
href="mailto:joyoduncan@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">joyoduncan@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>If you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no
saving capability in this one, but the same is in
SignWriter Studio and can save) Try it here.<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/</a><br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en</a><br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Uta,<br>
<br>
I agree that is a very useful idea. I found
myself copying existing signs and modifying them
to save work. Mostly I had to remember the
signs I needed to copy them and modify them.<br>
<br>
It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature
that does just that. Import your puddle, then
start writing and it can filter the puddle to
show signs that match on the left. Alas, you
can't easily save the sign back to the public
puddles.<br>
<br>
SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol
too and you can import a puddle to have a
starting point. And you can also duplicate
entries to easily modify the duplicated one.
And if you have a SignPuddle account you can
save it back to the public puddle. It also has
quick sign editor which makes it easier to get
to all the symbols and easily change a symbol to
another rotation etc. However it only works on
Windows. If you're interested, I can show you
how to do it on a Zoom call.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br>
<br>
So far, we, delegs (is working with
sign2mint), have received about 2000 videos
and have also transcribed them. We have been
able to gain a lot of experience
with signwriting.<br>
<br>
Who also has experience?<br>
<br>
We need about one hour for 20 videos and that
is too much. We want to go faster. One video
is only about 2 seconds long.<br>
<br>
My suggestion:<br>
- Sign search must be built in, because many
signs are similar. And it should be suggested
signs and if I find a similar one, then I
choose it and adjust it.<br>
- Handshape symbol should always be placed in
the middle if neutral (want to avoid long
dragging)<br>
- Language selection should lead to reduction
of symbols like hand shapes. DGS, for example,
has only about 60 hand shapes.<br>
- Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical
should be inserted automatically.<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
I am looking forward to our animated exchange!<br>
<br>
Best regards Uta<br>
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