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<p>Hi Uta, <br>
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<p> You can use a keyboard or a mouse, one or the other will
work, and the arrows and hands displayed in a circle so that you
can go from one to another really quickly and also change from
front plane to floor plane.</p>
<p> As for the grouping of the hands,</p>
<p><img src="cid:part1.JRbnNbO9.dTE4dGf9@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part2.Bjmvaol0.3ZlzD8E5@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part3.fXmDEf4X.XCJ71WFv@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part4.m3buh8h7.y3ppNjiw@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part5.ckV50ANn.M300Jft0@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part6.Nau36Cyi.BzjQOGRd@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part7.5h13txx4.Hx5F7uC0@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part8.uj8H7RE5.S3iB0r0D@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part9.T0Zvn6TS.CnIXoX0o@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part10.2YJkX4ov.hA3TxsOO@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part11.naENaPPL.pEcraWah@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part12.SEoTkG82.qlZexjUa@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><img src="cid:part13.LCiQmSm0.umtvLExc@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p><br>
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<p>As you can see, each hand shape has different background color.
The first ones are more fist like and progress to the more flat
handed.</p>
<p>The columns denote how many fingers are are separated from the
others.</p>
<p>The first column is thumb or no thumb and no other fingers
separate.</p>
<p>The second is one finger and or thumb.</p>
<p>The third is two fingers and or thumb.</p>
<p>The fourth is 3 fingers and or thumb.</p>
<p>the fifth is 4 fingers and or thumb.</p>
<p>You will also see that the same color background has different
sections. These separate the finger straightness, straight, bent,
hook, crossed, etc.<br>
</p>
<p>The common tab are a subset the hand shapes most used in the sign
languages I use. I was planning on moving more from the all hand
shapes to it if people start using it with other sign languages.
The all is all of the hand shapes, and the not common are the ones
not in the common tab.</p>
<p><img src="cid:part14.kjv0BCmC.V9kM0gxC@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p>What ever is on the keyboard is reflecting what is in the
choosers so you don't need to use a mouse if you don't want to.</p>
<p>You can also move between the choosers with the keyboard</p>
<p>Shift-1 Mannequin</p>
<p><img src="cid:part15.sJBxdzi2.2cAr8klx@gmail.com" alt="">@</p>
<p>Shift-2 Secondary chooser (hand shapes, arrows, etc)</p>
<p><img src="cid:part16.rwaUbqfC.n6yN5VVs@gmail.com" alt="">#</p>
<p>Shift-3 Third and forth choosers, symbol rotation</p>
<p><img src="cid:part17.031G8Tc1.8A9JQvS8@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p>Shift-4 Sign Area editing<br>
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<p><img src="cid:part18.0nBMOWO0.CzRddN0Y@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p>I hope that makes it a bit easier to understand.</p>
<p>Jonathan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2021 3:44 AM, Uta Meißner
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Jonathan,
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<div>Thank you for sharing the link to signEditor. It's nice
that there are several and that you can try them out and that
new ideas can also arise in this way.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I got to know your tool and find it interesting. The idea
of placing symbols on a human image is a good one. :) You
can find the symbols better there. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Did I understand correctly that you need a keyboard AND a
mouse? Selection of symbols with the mouse and selection of
rotation and localization with the keyboard. Oh and also
finer selection, e.g. arrow for right or left hand. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What interests me is the criteria according to which the
hand shapes are grouped. </div>
<div>According to Papaspyrou, DGS has 30 phonemes. And we
haven't been able to group them to our satisfaction.
Therefore, we have all shwon neutral. Only the placement of
the hand shapes is deliberately chosen. Similar ones lie
next to each other. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>We cannot take over grouping by numbers at signPuddle, as
it is still difficult for us to choose the right group when
we are looking for a certain hand shape. </div>
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<div>Greetings Uta</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 12:46
PM Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:joyoduncan@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">joyoduncan@gmail.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If
you want to try out QuickSignEditor (no saving capability in
this <br>
one, but the same is in SignWriter Studio and can save) Try it
here.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/</a><br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jonathandduncan.github.io/QuickSignEditor/signmaker/#?ui=en</a><br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
On 11/25/2021 8:41 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:<br>
> Hi Uta,<br>
><br>
> I agree that is a very useful idea. I found myself
copying <br>
> existing signs and modifying them to save work. Mostly I
had to <br>
> remember the signs I needed to copy them and modify them.<br>
><br>
> It seems to me SignMaker 2015 has a feature that does
just that. <br>
> Import your puddle, then start writing and it can filter
the puddle to <br>
> show signs that match on the left. Alas, you can't
easily save the <br>
> sign back to the public puddles.<br>
><br>
> SignWriter Studio can search signs by symbol too and
you can <br>
> import a puddle to have a starting point. And you can
also duplicate <br>
> entries to easily modify the duplicated one. And if you
have a <br>
> SignPuddle account you can save it back to the public
puddle. It also <br>
> has quick sign editor which makes it easier to get to all
the symbols <br>
> and easily change a symbol to another rotation etc.
However it only <br>
> works on Windows. If you're interested, I can show you
how to do it <br>
> on a Zoom call.<br>
><br>
> Jonathan<br>
><br>
> On 11/25/2021 9:44 AM, Uta Meißner wrote:<br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> So far, we, delegs (is working with sign2mint), have
received about <br>
>> 2000 videos and have also transcribed them. We have
been able to gain <br>
>> a lot of experience with signwriting.<br>
>><br>
>> Who also has experience?<br>
>><br>
>> We need about one hour for 20 videos and that is too
much. We want to <br>
>> go faster. One video is only about 2 seconds long.<br>
>><br>
>> My suggestion:<br>
>> - Sign search must be built in, because many signs
are similar. And <br>
>> it should be suggested signs and if I find a similar
one, then I <br>
>> choose it and adjust it.<br>
>> - Handshape symbol should always be placed in the
middle if neutral <br>
>> (want to avoid long dragging)<br>
>> - Language selection should lead to reduction of
symbols like hand <br>
>> shapes. DGS, for example, has only about 60 hand
shapes.<br>
>> - Left hand that are paralell or symmetrical should
be inserted <br>
>> automatically.<br>
>><br>
>> What do you think?<br>
>><br>
>> I am looking forward to our animated exchange!<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards Uta<br>
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