<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">SignWriting List<div class="">January 26, 2022</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hello Stefan!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is so great that you posted this message. Wonderful to have your input!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You are right, we did not even start to discuss the mouth movements. Mundbilder in Gebaerdenschrift (mouth movments in SignWriting), and your special development of Mundbildschrift (Woehrmann’s SpeechWriting), are two important factors to writing signs, especially for educators of Deaf children.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And yes, I noticed in SignPuddle Online that you had already written the movements the same. And as you say, you have it in DELEGS too! Wonderful!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Val ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">--------- </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Stefan Woehrmann <000000068eb2df61-dmarc-<a href="mailto:request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Uta, dear Valerie, <br class=""><br class="">just for fun I studied the questions of Uta Meißner and found Your answer Valerie...<br class=""><br class="">So many memories from previous spelling discussions came to my mind. And do you remember my explanation of why <br class="">SignWriting without "Mundbilder" is just an eternal guessing game for my deaf students. Well, that's <br class="">how I developed the "Mundbilder in GebaerdenSchrift" and for a different purpose "MundbildSchrift". Certain speech movements <br class="">are associated with very specific mouth symbols, and now <br class="">you can read and understand the "mouthmovements" performed when signing German Sign Language DGS. The meaningful reading of SignWriting is <br class=""> so much faster and so much clearer. There is an end to the guessing game. Of course you always have to keep in mind the ideas of the scribe. What is the <br class="">purpose for the written SignWriting document? Lessons at the school for Deaf <br class="">children simply cannot do without the Mundbilder. Great to see that my transcription is so similar to your example.<br class=""> <br class="">Attached is my diagram. I saw the video. <br class=""><br class="">- Geschwindigkeit (speed):<br class=""><a href="https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118" class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="484F74EA-7975-43C3-8228-C2BA7EBA7947" width="364" height="176" src="cid:ii_kyvuso512" class=""><br class="">You find this sign in the wonderful, wonderful delegs-program...<br class=""><br class="">https://apps.delegs.de/delegseditor/<br class=""><br class="">All best Yours<br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="8E61CD90-5F2A-453A-93FD-411FBD08ECD1" src="cid:ii_kyvuz6t83" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="">Am Mi., 26. Jan. 2022 um 18:15 Uhr schrieb Valerie Sutton <sutton@signwriting.org>:<br class="">SignWriting List<br class="">January 26, 2022<br class=""><br class="">Hello SignWriting List and Uta!<br class=""><br class="">Thank you, Uta, for this wonderful message. Let me answer one question at a time. And I certainly hope others will answer too ;-)<br class=""><br class="">I love your work and look forward to long hours studying it ;-)<br class=""><br class="">Meanwhile, your first question below about how to write fast reduplicated movement.<br class=""><br class="">Attached is my diagram. I saw the video. When a movement is 2 very fast with an emphasis on one direction, we write it this way, with two arrows in one direction. <br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="7128A0E7-CD02-4B31-B881-D6EFF13013F5" src="cid:17e9776f7a66cb8cee01" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="8AA9321A-5794-418F-ABB2-80BD6C27DBE1" width="640" height="382" src="cid:17e9776f7a72a6d5be72" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">______________<br class=""><br class="">- Geschwindigkeit (speed):<br class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118<br class=""><br class="">This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +. <br class="">Do you see it the same way? <br class=""><br class="">____________<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:16 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi all,<br class=""><br class="">I'm interested to know if you guys think of the model when you're transcribing a gesture. I usually don't. But I think it might be a good idea to consider this model. Only, I have trouble determining the correct M-H syllable in some signs. <br class=""><br class="">For a common understanding there are examples:<br class=""><br class="">- Geschwindigkeit (speed):<br class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118<br class=""><br class="">This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +. <br class="">Do you see it the same way? <br class=""><br class="">- Default<br class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Default/8088731661663380:55<br class=""><br class="">This gesture contains a reduplicated movement with hold -> MH +.<br class="">Do you see it like this?<br class=""><br class="">Impuls:<br class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Impuls/5750242766511595:801<br class=""><br class="">This gesture contains a simple movement with hold -> MH<br class=""><br class="">I'm not sure when a hold is when there is a simple contact (*) or when the movement is stopped (~). <br class=""><br class="">So, now I come to a problem:<br class="">Which syllable has this sign? HMH ? or MH +<br class="">https://sign2mint.de/entry/Daten/8088731661663380:40<br class=""><br class="">Which syllable has this sign? <br class=""><image.png><br class="">HMH<br class="">or<br class=""><image.png><br class="">MH + but in different places<br class=""><br class=""><image.png><br class="">or this signwriting. HMH. <br class=""><br class="">Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently.<br class=""><br class="">I can't tell when the gesture starts. When the right hand already arrives at the left hand or before. <br class="">Is it possible to determine this for sure using The LIddell and Johnson Movement-Hold Model?<br class=""><br class="">It is important to me that the gesture can be found safely by most users via signsearch. <br class=""><br class="">What movement symbols would you choose:<br class="">There are 5 different movement tracks in signsearch:<br class="">- straight motion trace<br class="">- wavy motion trace<br class="">- angular motion trace<br class="">- circular motion track<br class="">- spiral motion track<br class=""><br class="">Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently. <br class=""><br class="">It is important to me that the sign can be found via signsearch. <br class=""><br class="">What movement symbols would you choose:<br class="">There are 5 different motion traces in signsearch:<br class="">- straight motion trace<br class="">- wavy motion trace<br class="">- angular motion trace<br class="">- circular motion track<br class="">- spiral motion track<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">It is important to me that the sign search works well, that a searched sign is found with only a few selected symbols. And this is really the case with many signs. :) We are very proud of this, but we want to make it even better. :) <br class=""><br class="">I am looking forward to your knowledge and experience. :)<br class=""><br class="">Best regards <br class="">and a nice day to all of you<br class=""></blockquote>________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div></body></html>________________________________________________
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