<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello AnnaGrace,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was just thinking about your question about wrist movement and it not being included in my writing of 22. Technically because there is a line at the base of the double down arrows, there it is considered a wrist flex. The only difference is that because there is an arrowhead at the end of that line, it then makes it a traveling wrist flex. So it could be read as both ways, with or without a wrist flex. :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 8, 2022, at 3:06 PM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Adam,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Looking at the "22" part in your glyph (see below), there's no wrist movement. I use the wrist movement when I sign the "22" part.</div><div class="">Do you move your wrist or not? I am wondering if this is a sign variation. (I'm from the East Coast.)</div><div class=""><div class="gmail-gs" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: 1045px; font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: inherit;"><div class="gmail-"><div id="gmail-:1p3" class="gmail-gt gmail-ii gmail-adO" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem"><div id="gmail-:1j4" class="gmail-a3s gmail-aiL" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;overflow:hidden"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><img id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488A3274DA7-6F5E-4E27-B2D6-109E1923D4BC" width="74" height="76" src="cid:2FE12E78-5F74-476D-A455-6254665B5688" class="gmail-CToWUd"> </div><div class="">I look forward to your comment.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Anna Grace</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:24 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement for 20, if you would like.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:17edb9367c2aee876e31"><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Adam,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How would you signwrite "2022"?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I would write it with completely different hands.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@VIDEOTRON.CA" target="_blank" class="">atg@VIDEOTRON.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><div class="">Hi everyone,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">6: 2022</div><div class="">7: EAT ?</div><div class="">8: EATING (is eating)?</div><div class="">9: FOOD ?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Abdré</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223)" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">De : </span> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date : </span> Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Objet : </span> Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Hello AnnaGrace,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze893860" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally follow the first approach.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze89h9w1" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends as well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze89y2i2" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png></span> </div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ay5y4" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a back-back brush movement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ag323" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write “kiss fist”?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8low59" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ozuo10" class=""><SW ate.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8pgkd11" class=""><SW eating.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8pwff12" class=""><SW will eat.png></span></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9 look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:BC7FF2BE-B327-4618-B076-E92B91C176BA@home" class=""><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">Adam</span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.</div><div class="">Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks so much!</div><div class=""><u class=""><b class="">English answers</b>:</u></div><div class="">1.</div><div class="">2.</div><div class="">3.</div><div class="">4.</div><div class="">5.</div><div class="">6.</div><div class="">7.</div><div class="">8.</div><div class="">9.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class=""><u class="">ASL signwriting:</u></b></div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze893860" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze89h9w1" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze89y2i2" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ay5y4" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ag323" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png></span></div><div class=""> </div><span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8low59" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8ozuo10" class=""><SW ate.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8pgkd11" class=""><SW eating.png></span> <span id="gmail-m_-1415208743285867488gmail-m_-1430730477502535602cid:ii_kze8pwff12" class=""><SW will eat.png></span><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
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