<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Carlos,<div class="">The number eight that you're concerned about for Portugal is no worry now, because SignWriter DOS is barely used anywhere in the world because MS-DOS doesn't exist except through using DOS box which is a very old program and nobody's using that I don't believe, and the new keyboards that we're talking about the FSW that we've asked for is not including any numbers only alphabetic letters. So I think that issue is gone and they are welcome to write as they wish in SignPuddle online and show us what they want for number eight. No problem ;-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 9, 2022, at 2:46 PM, Carlos Cristian Libras <<a href="mailto:carloscristianlibras@GMAIL.COM" class="">carloscristianlibras@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I understand, and I really feel the need to add the new symbols, even though there are few current writers in Portugal.<br class="">For example the number 8 written on this keyboard leads the reader to think that it is a shape and in fact it is quite different, this can be harmful to the dissemination of SW there, so I see the need to improve this.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">But I understand that everything happens at the right time.<br class=""><br class="">I await your contact in private about the edition of books in Libras, I am always ready to serve you.<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:21 PM Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" class="">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">SignWriting List<br class="">February 9, 2022<br class=""><br class="">Hello Carlos!<br class="">I think you're posting about the LGP fingerspelling is very interesting because we worked really hard on two different versions of that fingerspelling keyboard. The original keyboard for SignWriter DOS looked a certain way. Here is the graphic of the original Portuguese fingerspelling keyboard.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="E2DBE848-8F44-4831-BAB6-422C8176290B" width="624" height="323" src="cid:17ee0aa469f43093ef61" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">But then it got changed by a group of interpreters from Portugal who worked with Steve in the Fingerspeller program that Steve developed in SignPuddle 2. The Portuguese fingerspelling is different I believe in Fingerspeller, and it does not include any numbers.<br class=""><br class="">Lots of fun, right?<br class=""><br class="">And regarding developing new hand symbols to be added to the current hand symbols in the ISWA 2010, we have so many hundreds that we're going to have to find one that is close to what they are fingerspelling and then someday we can add an addendum of new symbols to the ISWA 2010 that are not a part of Unicode of course. This is all very complex and takes funding because we have thousands and thousands of symbols already and writing can become standardized if we choose to say " this is the way it looks in real life but this is close enough that we can use a symbol that's already there". That would be to their advantage if they could choose that. However we do know that we need to add more symbols it just may take another decade that's all.<br class=""><br class="">So if they would like to form a new committee to try a third version of Portuguese fingerspelling that's perfectly fine with me, and I hope it's fine with the programmers! Thank you for your input.<br class=""><br class="">Carlos - I actually need your help with two books from Brazil that have just been written in SignWriting and they need reviewers. Because I don't know LIBRAS I think it's important that somebody from Brazil works with me on editing their books. I'll write to you privately about it. Thank you so much.<br class=""><br class="">Val ;-)<br class=""><br class="">------------<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:47 AM, Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I would like to inform you that in Portuguese Sign Language ( LGP ) there are some problems.<br class="">There are some letters and numbers that are not correct in the system, so it can be dangerous to copy them blindly.<br class=""><br class="">The number 8 for example in LGP doesn't have a SignPudlle configuration to represent exactly how we do it.<br class="">I made a video on one of my channels and two portuguese ones showed me that the writing is not faithful to the real signage, because it doesn't have the hand configuration in the signpudle yet.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class="">________________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br class=""><br class="">Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org<br class=""><br class="">Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu<br class=""><br class="">SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist<br class=""><br class="">Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div></body></html>________________________________________________
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