<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; "><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 36); font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 28px; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float: none; font-family: Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; ">Olá</span></span> João Paulo,</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Sim, você est<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: medium; "><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 36); font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 28px; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; font-family: Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; ">á</span></span> certo (Yes, you are right). I like that.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">Two thumbs up.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">André</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#202124" face="Roboto,Helvetica Neue,Arial,sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 20px; line-height: 28px; "><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">De : </span> João Paulo Ampessan <<a href="mailto:joamp29@GMAIL.COM">joamp29@GMAIL.COM</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date : </span> Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:23:11 -0300<br><span style="font-weight:bold">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet : </span> Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Here is João Paulo Ampessan. </div><div>Cool! surprised that they are discussing about movement, because here in Brazil we were also discussing about it. I also thought move symbol for me there is no different, because they are the same. an example I put image. for me, it same! <br></div><img src="cid:ii_kzrddg988" alt="image.png" width="562" height="177"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 17 de fev. de 2022 às 16:07, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi Val, Adam and everyone,</div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Adam and Val: Thank you for your answer.</div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Adam signwrote: <span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><img src="cid:17f0920a73ffa4590957" alt="glyphogram.php.png" type="image/png"></span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"> A) MOVE (ASL)</span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">I signwrite: </span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><img src="cid:17f0920a73f55dcdc5b8" alt="glyphogram.php.png" type="image/png"></span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"> B) MOVE (ASL)</span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px">Is B) MOVE the correct spelling? If so, A) MOVE is more commonly used. B) MOVE is more rarely used. I like an ASL sign for B) MOVE because B) MOVE is more economical than A) MOVE.</span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px">Best regards,</span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12px">André</span></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><span id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-right-color:initial"><span style="font-weight:bold">De : </span> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date : </span> Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:55:01 -0800<br><span style="font-weight:bold">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet : </span> Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">That’s part of the reason I asked. ;-) I have several people off the list that I have been asking as well. Even some who aren’t familiar or skilled with SignWriting, just to see an alternative view in case there might be a more simple option.<div><br></div><div>So I have settled down with this as the main option:</div><div><img id="gmail-m_-8332680818883093668D6DF699-1075-4195-AB77-69EF2D95E693" width="80" height="70" src="cid:17f0920a73dad7fd521"></div><div><br></div><div>It actually takes the exact spelling of 22 on both hands. It seems that most people that I have talked with don’t see the paths overlapping that often. They can, but not usually.</div><div><br></div><div>If the sign is made larger and/or with more repeated wrist flex, it seems to be possible that there is an overlapping path. I had tired to write it like this:</div><div><img id="gmail-m_-83326808188830936632D9A570-6AEA-466E-B582-5511755D221F" width="76" height="63" src="cid:17f0920a73e8f0a8d462"></div><div><br></div><div>But it seems that the above spelling isn’t very readable to many people of various SignWriting skill levels. So I tried this option below, and it seems it is more readily understandable.</div><div><img id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366F84BBC19-FD8B-4FD6-B789-5EDBC769DDAC" width="85" height="89" src="cid:17f0920a73e5e6ac8563"></div><div><br></div><div>So, if I were to follow the same principle and write the straight general movement rather than the curved, I found this is actually more readable than the combined arrows.</div><div><img id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366FD980027-10F2-483B-9782-AB0130FCE5C7" width="110" height="66" src="cid:17f0920a73ed6bcd00f4"></div><div><br></div><div>But now for the curve ball! I have asked several people (off the list) what movement they see with that sign. The ones that don’t know SignWriting at all generally said they see a straight down movement and then a curve, which may or may not be repeated. To follow that interpretation of the movement, I wrote this option below. I know that it doesn’t have a wrist flex, but even when I asked specifically if the sign bends at the wrist, I was mostly told it doesn’t matter if it does or not.</div><div><img id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366455FA097-1F0F-4E2D-B646-A1D2F21DA60B" width="88" height="58" src="cid:17f0920a73fb91fb7cc5"></div><div><br></div><div>So it seems that the two main options I have found are <img id="gmail-m_-8332680818883093668D6DF699-1075-4195-AB77-69EF2D95E693" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" width="80" height="70" src="cid:17f0920a73dad7fd521"> and <img id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366455FA097-1F0F-4E2D-B646-A1D2F21DA60B" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" width="88" height="58" src="cid:17f0920a73fb91fb7cc5">. I would personally go with the first option, but I do see the thinking behind the second one.</div><div><br><div><span><img id="gmail-m_-83326808188830936683BC4A1C-4B35-495E-9F57-C96A0CE58F94" src="cid:17f0920a73f4dbf12036"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Adam</span></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:56 AM, Uta Meißner <<a href="mailto:uta.hielscher@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">uta.hielscher@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Same here. :) <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And I think that's good, because the more often we are of the same opinion, the higher the probability of success with the sign search. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The exchange is great here! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Uta<br><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Carlos Cristian Libras <<a href="mailto:carloscristianlibras@gmail.com" target="_blank">carloscristianlibras@gmail.com</a>> schrieb am Do., 17. Feb. 2022, 00:56:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I Like First entries for "signtesseing". I look clean.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:19 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,<div><br></div><div>I like the two recent entries for "sightseeing." Thumbs up!</div><div><br></div><div>~ AnnaGrace</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:10 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I agree that the first writing is probably the most accurate, but it just seems to be bigger than the other writings. I just added a couple of other spellings, both with the wrist movement written into them.<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&</a></div><div><br><div><span><span id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366cid:17f0466fb064dbf12031"><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Adam</span></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:19 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,<div><br></div><div>I looked in the links you provided.</div><div><br></div><div>I like the first entry for "sightseeing." The second one is okay, and I find it acceptable. The third one is understandable, but I like the second one better. :-) </div><div><br></div><div>If all three remain in the SignPuddle, then these three serve as an example of sign variations and of how they can be written in slightly different ways.</div><div><br></div><div>Below is a video link of the sign "sightseeing" being used. It's in <b>timestamp 01:15</b>. I see the wrist action here. I use the wrist action myself. That's why I like the first entry in the SignPuddle. If other signers don't use the wrist flick, then entries two and three in the SignPuddle apply. </div><div><br></div><div>Link: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0</a></div><div><br></div><div>Well, that's my feedback. Hope this helps!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>AnnaGrace</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>This has been one sign that I have been trying to see what is the best way to write. It has the similar movement as 22 from earlier discussion except that it uses both hands.<div><br></div><div>Here is a video of it for those who aren’t sure of the sign.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here are a few different spellings that I have done of this sign in SignPuddle. I am not sure how I feel about them being the best spelling.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&</a></div><div><br><div><span><span id="gmail-m_-833268081888309366m_4440294751360904486gmail-m_3027991645005947598gmail-m_-2970446406148929154cid:17f03b9eb304dbf12031"><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Adam</span></div><br></div></div>________________________________________________
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