<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sadly, I wouldn’t read it as the right hand’s fingertips touching the corner of the mouth – or even the chin – as it is written. It would take me a while to see that there is some contact going on, and then I would assume that it is under the chin or even on the neck.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is why the hinges were moved where they were so the handshape could clearly show the contact.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Adam,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here's another case of adjusting a bit the <span id="cid:ii_kzxcwc1q1"><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.28.28 PM.png></span> grapheme to make it more clear which finger the hinge moves:</div><div class=""><span id="cid:ii_kzxcwvxm2"><SW DELICIOUS 1 with red arrows.png></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've also added the touch symbol on the chin area. </div><div class="">Your thoughts?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 6:51 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">Sure, that works fine too.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Adam,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you so much for your feedback! It is much appreciated.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for the spelling for DOG. I like it - but I do have a question about the placement of the hinge<span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:ii_kzxbyqui5" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.28.28 PM.png></span> grapheme.</div><div class="">For further clarification on which finger to hinge, I moved the hinge grapheme to another location</div><div class="">to specify which finger to hinge, which is the middle finger, in the sign for DOG. </div><div class="">The red arrow below shows where I relocated it.</div><div class="">What are your thoughts?</div><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:ii_kzxc02s46" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.24.24 PM.png></span><br class=""><div class=""> </div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:12 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Here is a possible writing of DOG with the hinge finger movements.<div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:17f1e9a476547139ddf1" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.03.26 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">DELICIOUS</div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:17f1e9a4765413fa0df2" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.06.18 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SMOOTH</div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:17f1e9a476588f1e3a83" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.09.34 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hmm… I’m not sure how I feel about the last two. Maybe just doing the ending handshapes would be more readable in this. I must say that DOG looks pretty readable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What are everyone else's thoughts?</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<span class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060cid:17f1e9a47654dbf12034" class=""><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">Adam</span>
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">I think there is some confusion about the scissor movement. The fingers ONLY move side to side, like scissors. <span class="">The fingers don’t hinge forward just as they don’t in the image of scissors here.</span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881cid:57602810-81B4-48AE-8642-D7A4F3D68D9F" class=""><cut-scissors.gif></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So the ASL signs for DOG, DELICIOUS, and SMOOTH would not use the scissor finger movement as the fingers hinge forward.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will be honest that I have never tried writing DELICIOUS or SMOOTH using finger movements. I have with DOG, but our discussion about how to write the sign WHAT-DO or #DO-DO lead me to think of the possibility of using hinge movements for these signs as well. I will try to write them in the next email to show what I am thinking. :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are two signs I can think of that use the scissor movement that starts and ends with a closed position. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They are SMOOTH and DELICIOUS. I am attaching the videos for these signs. (In the DELICIOUS video, you can finally get a peek at my face!)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For SMOOTH: </div><div class="">(This signs starts and ends with a closed middle finger and thumb position. These two fingers slide together using the hinge movement from the middle finger.) </div><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881cid:ii_kzwwpkfx1" class=""><SW SMOOTH 1.png></span> <br class=""><div class=""> </div><div class="">For DELICIOUS: </div><div class="">(This is a composite sign. This is the SW spelling I could come up with. </div><div class="">Do you have another SW spelling for this sign?)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881cid:ii_kzwwsdqq3" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 11.23.56 AM.png></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Chat with you soon,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:33 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Yay, yay!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~ AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:31 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">That is correct.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<span class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881cid:17f19447a2c4dbf12031" class=""><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">Adam</span>
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I understand Adam's recent message. And it makes sense to me.</div><div class="">My application for that particular signwriting would be "to unfriend someone on Facebook." Am I right, Adam?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~ AnnaGrace</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:01 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">I doubt it is in SignPuddle. In fact, I wasn’t able to find it in a search.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the spelling as if it were like fingerspelling RV, but with a different palm facing.</div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881gmail-m_-1616764501644482223gmail-m_-1334692787236923070cid:17f193e0114babb23db1" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.26 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is how I was thinking of writing it with the scissor movement.</div><div class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881gmail-m_-1616764501644482223gmail-m_-1334692787236923070cid:17f193e0114778870de2" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.56 PM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I can create a video if you would like me to. :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<span class=""><span id="gmail-m_411796987701905060gmail-m_6801932110866723881gmail-m_-1616764501644482223gmail-m_-1334692787236923070cid:17f193e01144dbf12033" class=""><namesign.png></span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline" class="">Adam</span>
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