<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sorry that you weren’t able to view the video. If there is somehow that I can adjust it so you can see the arrows connecting to the various movements that I make, just let me know and I will make it. :-)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding the first definition of these arrows, you are right that it was defined as “two hands move as one unit”. The talk about it being with contact was an example because that is the most common situation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The deeper definition (and probably older definition from DanceWriting and MimeWriting) is that the two hands move along the same path. Basically it would be like both the black and white arrows being written on top of each other. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These are good illustrations of what I am saying above:</div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="9FC678D3-26B4-4E2E-AE9B-638A75AFCC45" src="cid:39EB2D2A-0514-4BD2-AB78-2DCB45157802" class=""> becomes <img apple-inline="yes" id="6E1AA782-865C-4B62-AA4C-3AD20F7E3582" src="cid:87DF1FA1-1251-4F3D-9646-3671094767E5" class=""> ASK (LSQ)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="C6A4D855-FC83-4C31-A4DE-284C688B99D6" src="cid:85F505BF-5360-4BCC-BC7C-A95459554C73" class=""> becomes <img apple-inline="yes" id="1B87CF4D-0B0A-41DC-9295-DEF608A1D8AA" src="cid:E608BD3D-E351-45EF-888A-F2A42E43D3BF" class=""> PLAN (ASL)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You are right that the second example doesn’t have contact, which is what might confuse people for the correct way to use these arrows.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now for your example of my writing of DRESSER (ASL) <img apple-inline="yes" id="5863A25B-91E3-441F-A12B-6FDDC2448430" src="cid:C40D7734-FE1F-4558-BA89-684E4A03019E" class="">. I wrote that sign a long time ago when I was experimenting with probably the same issue you are talking about now. I am not saying that because I wrote this, that I feel it is correctly written. It was an experiment, and it still is because I need more feedback on how people read it.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 23, 2022, at 11:31 AM, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@VIDEOTRON.CA" class="">atg@VIDEOTRON.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; " class="">Hi everyone,</div><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; " class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span id="cid:6E24C72C-98E9-450D-9D14-EBEF0FBDEAD9"><6E24C72C-98E9-450D-9D14-EBEF0FBDEAD9.png></span> = <span id="cid:28BEBD6D-4D4F-4F54-816C-39C7EC3B2179"><28BEBD6D-4D4F-4F54-816C-39C7EC3B2179.png></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">PLAN (ASL)</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">When my beginner reader read <span id="cid:0DDC7AB8-934F-4B2B-A093-166FB43C8B38"><0DDC7AB8-934F-4B2B-A093-166FB43C8B38.png></span>, I was surprised because I didn't see any <span id="cid:4DE9D5B2-BB08-4453-A510-F87F81ADA578"><4DE9D5B2-BB08-4453-A510-F87F81ADA578.png></span> (contact). I figured it out. I looked at the first definition of <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span id="cid:5749BB77-5AE4-47EB-B392-2D493F06A8C4"><5749BB77-5AE4-47EB-B392-2D493F06A8C4.png></span>. I created a new second definition: </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Two hands move as one unit. When both hands do not contact, and move together in the same direction, they move as one unit. </span></span><span id="cid:949BBC52-BF27-4047-A090-7485EEC7DDAE"><949BBC52-BF27-4047-A090-7485EEC7DDAE.png></span> (two hands) move from left to right at the same time what I see. <span id="cid:D80AFDDE-1315-4243-9408-1E4B58E5BA01"><D80AFDDE-1315-4243-9408-1E4B58E5BA01.png></span> (moving from left to right) what I do not really see. But, I understand that when <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"><span id="cid:B6B9CA16-FCC3-4F63-88D4-06ABAABE4F81"><B6B9CA16-FCC3-4F63-88D4-06ABAABE4F81.png></span> (both hands) do not contact (</span><span id="cid:05C0F6D3-188E-4CF5-B0D1-6FF70C77C25E"><05C0F6D3-188E-4CF5-B0D1-6FF70C77C25E.png></span> is not used), and <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"><span id="cid:4D89BDFE-3ACE-42A6-AF89-7B3C1F5C54EC"><4D89BDFE-3ACE-42A6-AF89-7B3C1F5C54EC.png></span> (move together in the same direction, <span id="cid:64A0A698-6139-4232-AFFE-EB251FDAEAFA"><64A0A698-6139-4232-AFFE-EB251FDAEAFA.png></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"> (they move as one unit).</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;">When I read </span><span id="cid:C033D1C5-7F6B-4AD9-965C-BA6427ABDB77"><C033D1C5-7F6B-4AD9-965C-BA6427ABDB77.png></span>, I interpret <span id="cid:F1CE5F3D-88AF-477A-B91C-4CEC27399D27"><F1CE5F3D-88AF-477A-B91C-4CEC27399D27.png></span>. I mean that <span id="cid:96D17268-41D7-495E-AD68-4200B28CBB6C"><96D17268-41D7-495E-AD68-4200B28CBB6C.png></span> move from left to right at the same time what I see. I imagine that <span id="cid:91DED864-2EF3-4C81-8B1B-B1FEF2A88205"><91DED864-2EF3-4C81-8B1B-B1FEF2A88205.png></span> is more important than <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"><span id="cid:BCAAEF48-2632-4783-B76D-DCECA8CCF567"><BCAAEF48-2632-4783-B76D-DCECA8CCF567.png></span>.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;"><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: inherit;">Tomorrow, I will send a message for </span><span id="cid:3AB3472B-0C2F-4939-B587-41552B1632C8"><3AB3472B-0C2F-4939-B587-41552B1632C8.png></span>.</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Best regards,</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">André</div></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; " class=""><br class=""></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">De : </span> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" class="">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date : </span> Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:03:30 -0800<br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" class="">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Objet : </span> Re: General movement arrowhead<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Here are a couple of simple videos showing the difference between Black Arrowheads, White Arrowheads, and General Arrowheads. Note that these are following the way the arrows are defined (right hand movement, left hand<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""> movement</span>, and overlapping hand movement).<span id="cid:B67573A9-C7EB-468E-99D8-FC0785ED9C99"><B67573A9-C7EB-468E-99D8-FC0785ED9C99.png></span> (move together in the same direction), <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div></div></div>
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