<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Thanks for explaining, Adam.</div><div><br></div><div>~ AnnaGrace</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:46 PM Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I wouldn’t consider handwriting and shorthand in SignWriting to be the same thing. I know that there isn’t much documentation and they aren’t very developed in general use, so that might be why the two might seem to be very similar.<div><br></div><div>Handwriting generally has a one-to-one correlation to block printing, which is what we typically write with on computers. There may be a few cases where one handwritten symbol can mean several block printing symbols, but those are the exceptions rather than the norm.</div><div><br></div><div>Shorthand, one the other hand, generally has several possible interpretations for which symbol(s) it correlates to. For example, a shorthand symbol might mean any number of block printing symbols with different fills and/or flips/rotations. It is also possible to have one shorthand symbol mean a collection of block printing symbols. We have seen this with the use of the timing symbols to mean the left hand mirrors the handshape and movements of the right hand as written.</div><div><br></div><div>The similarity of handwriting and shorthand is that their symbols generally only have a couple of strokes at the most. Shorthand symbols tend to be even more simplified than handwritten symbols and rarely have symbols written with more than one stroke.</div><div><br></div><div><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">msannagrace20@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br><div><br></div><div>The way I see it, there's block lettering, handwriting, and shorthand. Especially in the American English language.</div><div><br></div><div>In SignWriting, is shorthand the same as handwriting? Just wondering...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>AnnaGrace</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <<a href="mailto:suttikunep@gmail.com" target="_blank">suttikunep@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you so much for your help in finding the old documents. Fortunately, you can find the scanned files without having to re-scan them all over again. This appears to be a document containing a large ASL vocabulary as well as a shorthand for each word. That's amazing!<br><br>It seems like the old shorthand is a lot different than what I expected, in that it has a number of systematic writing rules and principles to know. I'm not sure if anyone can still write this style of shorthand today, and I'm curious to see how fast it can be written.<br><div><br></div><div>Shorthand, as many of you know, is a writing system that allows you to take notes at a speed that is comparable to speech. Shorthands for spoken languages are usually performed by listening to the voice and taking notes by hand, but it's interesting to know that the shorthand for sign languages is performed by looking at the signers with the eyes and taking notes by hand. </div><div><br></div><div>Does this imply that sign language stenographers will take notes without glancing at the paper? I suppose that the shorthand of DanceWriting would follow the same way. I feel that writing at a fast pace without looking at the paper is quite challenging!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sutthikhun</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 01:19, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com" target="_blank">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);padding:5px;font-family:arial;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nW4l8z1QwZ4j5dW2Wqje4W-fqQ_47vnH/view?usp=drive_web" style="display:inline-block;max-width:366px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration-line:none;padding:1px 0px;border:none" aria-label="Scribble Sample on Apple iPad.mov" target="_blank"><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png"> <span dir="ltr" style="vertical-align:bottom;text-decoration:none">Scribble Sample on Apple iPad.mov</span></a><img style="opacity: 0.55; float: right; display: none;"></div>If Apple could come up with this method of converting handwritten symbols (eg, the English alphabet and words), could we use this method for SignWriting? Please see the attached video, and you'll see what I mean.<div>Could anyone on the SW List tell me if this is possible for SignWriting?</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>AnnaGrace<br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:14 AM Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:joyoduncan@gmail.com" target="_blank">joyoduncan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Hi Val,</p><p> How did you or others envision a typewriter for SignWriting
Shorthand?<br>
</p><p><span id="gmail-m_4270977029224740780cid:17fbd2306d9514e237a1"><FUnRXVhH6bsvisoD.png></span></p><p>Regards, <br>
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<div>On 3/22/2022 12:09 PM, Valerie Sutton
wrote:<br>
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<div>March 22, 2022</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hi SW List members -</div>
<div>It took me time to find the scanned document, but I
did find it and it is now posted. This is a very old book, based
on our old writing system. It was a workbook for students
learning SW Shorthand, so you will find blank pages in the
middle of the document for students to practice writing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From an historic perspective, it is interesting to
see how we were writing in 1982, but from a practical
perspective, how we write today, in 2022, is what matters...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In 1982, we were writing Receptively, and
horizontally, with symbols that were not as detailed. By 1984,
there was a major change in the system, which reflects how we
write today…</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So here is 1982’s shorthand….</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"SignWriting Shorthand For Sign Language
Stenography", 1982, is now posted as a PDF in our SignWriting
Document Archives:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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