<div dir="ltr">Hi Honza,<br><div><br></div><div>It's the same in ASL -- if a sign goes in the other direction it just looks weird. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm still thinking of other ASL signs that go clockwise, and I haven't come up with any. As soon as I find one, I'll let you know!</div><div><br></div><div>For new students of sign language, it would be helpful to have an additional arrow -- at least for reference purposes -- which can be like a "training wheel" until they get in the habit of doing the rub in the correct direction. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>AnnaGrace</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 12:18 PM Honza Fikejs <<a href="mailto:honza.fikejs@gmail.com">honza.fikejs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello everyone,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your responses. </div><div>In Czech Sign Language rub is signed anti clockwise typically on the hand and clockwise on the body and head. The direction of the movement doesn't change the meaning, but it is weird only to sign it in the wrong direction. </div><div>I like my origin idea to have two kinds of symbols (clockwise and anti clockwise written). But maybe an additional arrow is clearer.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know some signs that differ only in the direction of rubbing?</div><div><br></div><div>Honza</div><div>PS: Val, thank you. I get all the responses now. </div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 14:59, Cherie Wren <<a href="mailto:000000111c1a7803-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">000000111c1a7803-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">When I sign COFFEE, I too, circle counter clockwise, but I can read the writing because I know the sign. For the original poster, who mentioned that some signs changing the direction of the rub changes the meaning, could you use movement arrows to specify? </div><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="gmail-m_-1855706929910019305gmail-m_7262635888297038137ydp145d737dyiv6357598685"><div><div><div>'Morning!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>As a LIBRAS signer, I tend to do the rubbing in a counter-clockwise direction.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>As Ms. Anna Grace, I never thought much of the symbols direction, but, after reading Mr. Honza's e-mail I'm quite curious about this "component".</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Mr. Honza, wouldn't the arrows solve the problem?</div><br clear="none"><div id="gmail-m_-1855706929910019305gmail-m_7262635888297038137ydp145d737dyiv6357598685yqt17169"><div><div dir="ltr">Em qui, 7 de abr de 2022 13:35, Ms. AnnaGrace <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Now that I think about the rubbing component, as a right-hander in American Sign Language (ASL), </div><div>I find myself rubbing a <b>counter-clockwise</b> direction in the signs for COFFEE, WASHING-A-DISH, SORRY, PLEASE, NAUSEA. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I was never conscious of the direction in rubbing until now. I would be interested in finding out which direction others are doing in ASL.<br clear="none">As a teacher of ASL, I think the direction of rubbing is important. (eg, how does signing PLEASE in the other direction strike you?)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>~ AnnaGrace</div></div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:22 AM Valerie Sutton <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>SignWriting List<div>April 7, 2022</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Hello SignWriting List, and Honza from the Czech Republic,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Are you getting messages from the SignWriting List now, Honza, using your new Gmail account?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I hope you get this email. I want to be sure that you get it, so please tell us if you did.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regarding the Rub Symbol…Direction of rubbing was never written with the symbol. The symbol always goes one direction and represents rubbing in general without stating the direction of rubbing.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>But it's a very interesting idea, but never a part of the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010 (ISWA).</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><img id="gmail-m_-1855706929910019305gmail-m_7262635888297038137ydp145d737dyiv6357598685m_6467727551697846215m_-5796309844768246444gmail-m_48714543898313574072FABF668-8097-4A39-B9B4-96FCF69FF29A" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=ebb99829ca&attid=0.1&th=18008cae0fb5096a&view=fimg&fur=ip&rm=18008cae0fb5096a&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANGjdJ-AIuJ9fq1j685uYnwJQpxyajikkC75nvMLkifiVTymp_z8Ts8GuuIPnJQ4FB-vprY_X-XBpKHqJXhvEU5m-X-8vaHEW66jNCzLljZHBB9caw5IOgudZBoDVqQ&disp=emb&realattid=18004d8482843093ef61&zw" style="width: 112px; max-width: 0px;"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>------------</div><div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:03 AM, Honza Fikejs <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:honza.fikejs@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">honza.fikejs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hi Valerie,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">since I haven't received any emails from the list for last two years, I am trying now to find out my questions I have posted and haven`t got any response.<br clear="none">First of all I am wondering about rub symbol. I thought there used to be two two rub symbols in the SignPuddle (clockwise and anticlockwise rolled), but now I see only one there. .<br clear="none">In czech sign language the rub direction matters, so I teach my students to be careful about way of rolling.<br clear="none">Is there a way how to write down direction of rubbing?<br clear="none">Now I am not sure, since there is only one rub symbol (maybe I only imagined there was two)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Thank you<br clear="none">Honza<br clear="none">________________________________________________</blockquote></div></div>________________________________________________
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