<div dir="auto">Dear Valerie,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">thank you for links with a lot of Informations.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I actually don't remember reading those once, although I was on signpuddle a lot 3 years ago looking for information. I missed a lot of things. Well, I will take the time to read them.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your suggestion on my sign names 🙂 I like it better. 😊</div><div dir="auto">I had once thought long and hard about when just beginning hand shape, when just ending hand shape and when both. And unfortunately couldn't find any simple rules about it, which I could then explain to everyone who wants to use the sign search at <a href="http://sign2mint.de">sign2mint.de</a>.</div><div dir="auto">If they exist, please tell me. That would make me happy.</div><div dir="auto">My current immature thinking is, there are two parts at SWU. The first part is responsible for the order of the found results, while the second part contains information about symbols in the signwriting image, their coordinates and level. There I would like to put all the symbols that the signwriting describes, but in their assigned place.</div><div dir="auto">1. right initial hand shape</div><div dir="auto">2. right end hand shape</div><div dir="auto">3. left initial handshape</div><div dir="auto">4. left end hand shape</div><div dir="auto">5. localization (head, neck,..) </div><div dir="auto">5. contact before movement</div><div dir="auto">6. primary movement for right hand</div><div dir="auto">7. secondary movement for right hand</div><div dir="auto">8th primary movement for left hand</div><div dir="auto">9. secondary movement for left hand</div><div dir="auto">10. contact after movement</div><div dir="auto">11. dynamics (fast, slow,..) </div><div dir="auto">12. dynamics (parallel, alternating ...) </div><div dir="auto">13. facial expression mouth</div><div dir="auto">14. facial expression eye</div><div dir="auto">15. .... </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">@all Do any of you here still consciously use the first part of SWU? When do you need it?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Uta</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> schrieb am Mi., 4. Mai 2022, 18:21:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">SignWriting List<div>May 4, 2022</div><div><br></div><div>Hello everyone, and Uta -</div><div>Thank you for these questions related to how many handshapes are needed to write signs. And your examples show two different issues.</div><div><br></div><div>So let me take your second example first.</div><div><br></div><div>When I personally write, I follow our SignSpelling Guidelines, that help with this issue. Your second example would be written differently, following "SignSpelling Guideline 1: First Write the Position of Contact”, which is explained on numbered pages 194-195 in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook. It is also explained on this web page: <a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Lessons in SignWriting Textbook, (See numbered pages 194-195)</div><div><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>So to explain… in your second example, following the Guideline, I would write the “Position of Contact”, because there is real meaning in the ending position. And to have a position of contact, there has to be an open position in the beginning, so that can be assumed…</div><div><br></div><div>So I would write it this way. In my attached example, the second one would take away the opening position because it can easily assumed:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img id="m_560139344682505928305FADE97-BDB4-4580-B4EF-7E6CF3D5E3FD" width="96" height="146" src="cid:F3A15DD3-291E-402F-AAA8-3D8E2C19352C"></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 4, 2022, at 5:35 AM, Uta Meißner <<a href="mailto:uta.hielscher@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">uta.hielscher@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi all,<br><br>I would take example (4), because the hand will be open during movement. <br>If the reader knows signwriting well, then I would like to reduce the symbols.<br><br>There is the symbol for opening the fingers. " ^ "<br><br>I'm interested if you guys can read my proposed signwriting better.<br><br><img id="m_5601393446825059283B0796671-AC81-4967-BC7D-B479E4F46E37" src="cid:ii_l2rk38m95"><br><br>I know, not always only the first hand form is enough, sometimes you need the end hand form for that. How about highlighting the two hand shapes in different colors. Start handshape -> dark gray and end handshape -> black?<br><br><br><img id="m_56013934468250592836D25A612-7132-425A-8D79-8CA33DDCFDFF" src="cid:ii_l2rka5yb6"><br>Uta<br><br></blockquote><br></div></div>________________________________________________
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