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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Hi Adam, Uta, André and
everyone from the SignWriting List,<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Thank you so much Adam
for your precious guidance, I figured there really were no rules on how to
write these cases, I was hoping there were. In the example of the sign
corresponding to SignWriting, I have noticed that here in Brazil, the community
uses both possibilities, but in official publications the writing of the
example (3) has been used more.<span></span></span></p>





</div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_l2rqy5t14" alt="Example 3.jpg" width="561" height="191"></div><div><br></div><div>



















<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">As for the writing made
by Uta, I believe it is another possibility to write this sign too, I would
particularly use it for handwriting (Cursive Writing) for simplifying by using
fewer graphemes. However, for official publications I prefer to use spellings
that are easier for the public to read.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Today in the afternoon,
I will record the signs in Libras for the words audio, visual, sign and writing
with their corresponding spellings and post it here.<span></span></span></p>

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you for your support and interaction </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">🙏🏾<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Rubens Almeida</span></p>

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</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 4 de mai. de 2022 às 12:09, André Thibeault <<a href="mailto:atg@videotron.ca">atg@videotron.ca</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>Hi Rubens,</div><div><br></div><div>How do you write down LIBRAS signs for AUDIO, VISUAL, SIGN and WRITING?  I need only one sign for AUDIO, VISUAL, SIGN and WRITING.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>André</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="gmail-m_6591746849419228975OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><span style="font-weight:bold">De : </span> Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Répondre à : </span> "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date : </span> Tue, 03 May 2022 17:17:38 -0700<br><span style="font-weight:bold">À : </span> <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet : </span> Re: What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hello Rubens,<div><br></div><div>A very good question. I don’t think there is any “standard” guideline about how to write these cases. It is really what is the most readable to those who use the language.</div><div><br></div><div>Since I am not native to Libras, I can’t give you a definite answer for both spelling. However, I can give you some help regardless as a native signer. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>When I personally face these sort of issues, I ask myself if the sign is a compound, which means there are two separate parts to the sign as if they had their own separate meaning. The English words for audiovisual and SIgnWriting are compounds (audio + visual and Sign + Writing). So with that in mind, when I look at the sign for “audiovisual” in your video, I get the feeling there are two parts. Because of that, I would pick the first example because it is written to show the separation. (Although I would reduce the gap between so they aren’t read as separate words.)</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_659174684941922897537AB72CC-2EEC-4B44-AB65-FB04203E9ED8" src="cid:1808fb99def1dc8413f1" width="648" height="222"></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, since I am not a native Libras signer – my Libras is minimum at most – my interpretation could be wrong and there isn’t a compound in two signs here. If that were the case, the second spelling might be better. However, I would suggest a minor change in spelling since I didn’t see an inward traveling movement between the first and second handshape like there was to the last handshape. (I placed the handshape above, but it could also be placed next to as well.)</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_6591746849419228975EAC11D36-03DA-4DDE-8061-6828D05A5903" src="cid:1808fb99df0c86aea632" width="367" height="256"></div><div><br></div><div>The same could be said for the Libras sign for SignWriting. The first example is written as if it is a compound, while the second spelling is written as if it were one sign. To me as a non-native Libras signer, I don’t see that sign as a compound and would probably use the second spelling. But maybe it is a compound and should be written as in the first spelling.</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_6591746849419228975A86A6928-F7EB-44A0-A2B3-917D375EEC4E" src="cid:1808fb99df059e66fbc3" width="648" height="220"></div><div><br></div><div><div><span><img id="gmail-m_65917468494192289755A188A92-7A58-447C-89E9-D5450B88CF0C" src="cid:1808fb99df04dbf12034"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Adam</span></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 3, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Hello everyone on the
SignWriting List,<span></span></span></p><div style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><span> </span></span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Recently there was a
question that we talked about in the SignWriting Brasil WhatsApp group
regarding how to write a sign that uses more movements and more than one
handshape. The example was the audiovisual spelling in Libras. There was a
member of the group that did the direct writing (term I use for writing that is
not done and 2 steps), however, I found the writing to be confusing, difficult
to read, so I suggested writing in 2 steps (according to example (1) of theattached video) in order to facilitate reading.<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">I learned from Adam
that this is the best option in these cases, when some time ago I introduced
him to the SignWriting script used in Libras with two writing possibilities.
Adam explained that the writing (from example 3 in the attached video) was more
readable.<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">My question is how can
I understand when I can use direct writing in order to save graphemes and
spaces when writing signs with more movements and more than one handshape, and
also where can I find more guidelines, references to publications that clarify
this question .<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Thank you in advance
for everyone's attention and support!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Here's a link to the video on YouTube:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><a href="https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><br></span></p><div style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"></span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Hugs!<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Rubens Almeida</span></p><div style="text-align:justify;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_chip gmail_drive_chip" style="width:396px;height:18px;max-height:18px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);padding:5px;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);line-height:1"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faO20kT8VHNk4EiTzQlcw1bUbta_00jO/view?usp=drive_web" style="display:inline-block;max-width:366px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none;padding:1px 0px;border:medium none" aria-label="Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4" target="_blank"><img style="vertical-align: bottom; border: medium none;" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/doclist/images/icon_10_generic_list.png"> <span dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bottom">Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4</span></a><img style="opacity: 0.55; float: right; display: none;"></div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><span></span></span><span id="gmail-m_6591746849419228975m_-779480856266806676goog_360557479"></span><span id="gmail-m_6591746849419228975m_-779480856266806676goog_360557480"></span><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><span></span><img src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yNp73q7AcP8Wqw8_S65uSHlbRaLcT6qly7vpH3qijZwx97hpn89Y-uasalpvWK2rfKBgPAW5s" width="420" height="252"><br></div></div></div>
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