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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by
Josenilson provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in Brazil, because as the
symbol (*) was not written to touch, I understand that there is ambiguity, as I
could read the writing as the sign was in front of the body, in neutral space,
or as there is facial expression marking of teeth movement, it could be read as
the front of the face.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal"><span> </span>I also have some
doubts about how to write locations, especially writing sign that is performed
with facial expression.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope
you understand the doubts.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Thank you for all your support!<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Att,<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Rubens Almeida<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">Link:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"> <a href="https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo">https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo</a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><br></p><br><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><br></p><img src="cid:ii_l700sw4q4" alt="Print 1.png" width="561" height="316"><br><img src="cid:ii_l700to345" alt="Print 2.png" width="561" height="316"><br><img src="cid:ii_l700ubag6" alt="Print 3.png" width="561" height="316"><br><div></div><div><img src="cid:ii_l700wteq8" alt="Print 4.png" width="561" height="316"><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_l700x5hr9" alt="Print 5.png" width="561" height="316"><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_l700ydgu11" alt="Print 6.png" width="561" height="316"><br><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com">jsm88b@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> Thank you very much!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Josenilson Mendes</span><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>SignWriting List</div><div>August 11, 2022</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:</div><div><br></div><div>Based on this video:</div><div><a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a></div><div><br></div><div>I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and wrote the sign based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always write the Position of Contact, and SignSpelling Guideline 2: The Position of Contact becomes the Center of the Sign with the Movement Symbols relating to the Center. Please see attached. I will write another email with more detailed explanation and links to the SignSpelling Guidelines later…. Thanks for the great question and feel free to comment - this is fun to be back in touch!</div><div><br></div><div><img id="gmail-m_-6451134872706833171gmail-m_33765160851102084924F97940C-8BAE-4D82-97C8-5136B8C6DBDC" src="cid:1829a646fd73926087a1" width="480" height="494"></div><div><br></div><div>_________________</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting List<br>August 11, 2022<br><br>Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!</div><div><br><a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a></div><div><br>My answer is coming… Val ;-)</div><div>_____________</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">jsm88b@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br><a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br>Josenilson Mendes<br><br><br>Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsm88b@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br><br>Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> escreveu:<br>SignWriting List<br>August 9, 2022<br><br>Very interesting.<br><br>Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will really help.<br><br>You are correct that simple contact is quite different than actually grasping clothing or holding a belly. The Grasp Symbol was developed to show holding something. For example holding somebody else's hand in dance, or pinching your ear, or pinching your clothing. But if the hands are only touching the chest but not really holding anything then you are right that a contact star is all you need. Or maybe you do not need a contact symbol there at all.<br><br>However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm not quite sure what I'm reading. Are the two hands in front of the belly or torso? With the fingers intertwined with each other doing a movement 2 times in-between each other?<br><br>Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly in the Torso area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?<br> <br>Val ;-)<br><br><br><br>Valerie Sutton<br><a href="mailto:sutton@signwiting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwiting.org</a><br><br>-----------<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">jsm88b@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br><br>It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:<br><br> <br><br><br>Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br><br>For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with it.<br><br>What do you think?<br><br>Josenilson Mendes<br></blockquote></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div>_____________</div><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">jsm88b@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br><br>It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For example:<br><br> <img id="gmail-m_-6451134872706833171gmail-m_33765160851102084926DDAC831-1BFE-45B4-B2BD-BBBB46DB675D" src="cid:1829a646fd8cb971f162"><br><br><img id="gmail-m_-6451134872706833171gmail-m_33765160851102084925405E88E-2C0B-4439-9653-5B4D4DF247B8" src="cid:1829a646fd8cb971f163"><br>Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br><br>For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with it.<br><br>What do you think?<br><br>Josenilson Mendes<br><br><br>Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> escreveu:<br>SignWriting List<br>August 9, 2022<br><br>Hello Josenilson!<br>It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to the SignWriting List.<br><br>Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when writing sign languages.<br><br>For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to me personally. I follow these everytime I write:<br><br>SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact<br><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</a><br><br>SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center<br><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html</a><br><br>and it continues for many pages following on the web…<br><br>These guidelines can also be found at the end of the <br><br>Lessons in SignWriting Textbook<br><a href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a><br><br>We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for writing movement arrows and I had planned to write up a report about our decisions that we made together and then I got so busy I didn't get to it. Maybe now is the time to get back into more discussions?<br><br>So what specific questions do you have?<br><br><img id="gmail-m_-6451134872706833171gmail-m_3376516085110208492453B5259-10AA-499B-A2DB-15D86464AE75" src="cid:1829a646fd8728370c4"><br>Val ;-)<br><br>_______________<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <<a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">jsm88b@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi, SW-List!<br>Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or not threre are rules for SW.<br><br>This page <a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/</a> has spelling rules or not?<br><br><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Greetings<br></blockquote><br>Josenilson Mendes<br></blockquote><br>________________________________________________<br><br></blockquote><br></div>________________________________________________
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