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<p>I never new we could do that !!! Awesome<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2022 2:37 PM, Valerie Sutton
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<div class="">August 20, 2022</div>
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<div class="">HOW TO WRITE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS</div>
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<div class="">Video 1</div>
<div class="">To write the LOCATION ABOVE THE WAIST, lengthen or
expand the Torso. Put more space between the Shoulder Line and
the Hip Line so you can place the sign above the waist.</div>
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<div class="">Please see attached:</div>
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id="541BDDFA-7062-4DFF-A9D3-B37BBF2B1F04"
src="cid:part1.xsacscJn.kqzZs5TA@gmail.com" class=""
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:36 AM,
Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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SignWriting List<br class="">
August 20, 2022<br class="">
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Hello Rubens, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!<br
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<br class="">
Introduction<br class="">
<br class="">
Thank you for these important questions about “How to write
signs in different locations”. Thank you for this beautiful
video showing the signs in LIBRAS. I hope all of you will
visit YouTube to see the signs. I will try to write them from
the video and answer the questions one by one, by
Video Number. Please note that I have changed the subject of
this thread to “How to write signs in different locations”:
The next email will be my writing of Video 1, and so forth...<br
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<a href="https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo</a><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="DF453390-86E6-49CD-8CD1-D0D0D99A93AE"
src="cid:part2.PbqIzD3s.PaBvr8LC@gmail.com" class=""
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 18, 2022, at 10:24 PM,
Profo Rubens Almeida
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM"><rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM></a> wrote:<br class="">
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Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!<br
class="">
The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by
Josenilson provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in
Brazil, because as the symbol (*) was not written to touch,
I understand that there is ambiguity, as I could read the
writing as the sign was in front of the body, in
neutral space, or as there is facial expression marking of
teeth movement, it could be read as the front of the face.<br
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I also have some doubts about how to write locations,
especially writing sign that is performed with facial
expression.<br class="">
Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope
you understand the doubts.<br class="">
Thank you for all your support!<br class="">
Att,<br class="">
Rubens Almeida<br class="">
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Link:<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo">https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo</a><br class="">
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="25A551E5-20AA-4F4B-B153-62F50229419B"
src="cid:part3.2jDeDdvB.jnYYDco2@gmail.com" class=""><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="E60ACC71-515C-4485-A5CC-88500D15465F"
src="cid:part4.10lvjYcc.KUvTbh3d@gmail.com" class=""><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="86C39D17-B1B3-4E58-994E-8D3B89A21A77"
src="cid:part5.3pJFhSGH.kTGygaP8@gmail.com" class=""><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="EDA61E7A-595B-4DFC-842A-B95914A2471D"
src="cid:part6.ETLhgR1U.b0UMqRXz@gmail.com" class=""><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="EE1FBC45-674A-48C5-BE17-2E827915F8BB"
src="cid:part7.qBT0Lj2b.7pIQiD6P@gmail.com" class=""><br
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="03D2EC84-82F2-44AE-89CD-3CC01587A8C9"
src="cid:part8.jie5FBsS.x1avCP9m@gmail.com" class=""><br
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Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva
Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com"><jsm88b@gmail.com></a> escreveu:<br class="">
Thank you very much!<br class="">
Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.<br class="">
<br class="">
Josenilson Mendes<br class="">
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Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br class="">
SignWriting List<br class="">
August 11, 2022<br class="">
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Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:<br class="">
<br class="">
Based on this video:<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br
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I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and
wrote the sign based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always
write the Position of Contact, and SignSpelling Guideline 2:
The Position of Contact becomes the Center of the Sign with
the Movement Symbols relating to the Center. Please see
attached. I will write another email with more detailed
explanation and links to the SignSpelling Guidelines later….
Thanks for the great question and feel free to comment -
this is fun to be back in touch!<br class="">
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="F17B597C-CB76-4DB6-9D1E-34582EB067D6"
src="cid:part9.Wlk3TXhc.zABvueC0@gmail.com" class=""
width="480" height="494"><br class="">
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SignWriting List<br class="">
August 11, 2022<br class="">
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Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!<br
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br
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My answer is coming… Val ;-)<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58
AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
wrote:<br class="">
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br
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Josenilson Mendes<br class="">
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Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva
Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com"><jsm88b@gmail.com></a> escreveu:<br class="">
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Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br class="">
SignWriting List<br class="">
August 9, 2022<br class="">
<br class="">
Very interesting.<br class="">
<br class="">
Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will
really help.<br class="">
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You are correct that simple contact is quite different
than actually grasping clothing or holding a belly. The
Grasp Symbol was developed to show holding something. For
example holding somebody else's hand in dance, or pinching
your ear, or pinching your clothing. But if the hands are
only touching the chest but not really holding anything
then you are right that a contact star is all you need. Or
maybe you do not need a contact symbol there at all.<br
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<br class="">
However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm
not quite sure what I'm reading. Are the two hands in
front of the belly or torso? With the fingers intertwined
with each other doing a movement 2 times in-between each
other?<br class="">
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Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly
in the Torso area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?<br
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<br class="">
Val ;-)<br class="">
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<br class="">
Valerie Sutton<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sutton@signwiting.org">sutton@signwiting.org</a><br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04
PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
wrote:<br class="">
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Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br class="">
<br class="">
It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say
it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree.
For example:<br class="">
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<br class="">
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Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br class="">
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For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the
hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact
with it.<br class="">
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What do you think?<br class="">
<br class="">
Josenilson Mendes<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM,
Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a> wrote:<br
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Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br class="">
<br class="">
It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say
it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For
example:<br class="">
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="E08742B3-63F5-4460-9F0B-1782A29E0322"
src="cid:part10.a3PQbaJv.9dlsTI0S@gmail.com" class=""><br
class="">
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="6D1D8B83-FD33-40DF-8CCC-6B7EB6E311B7"
src="cid:part11.0PBUAd7J.SUK2tBKT@gmail.com" class=""><br
class="">
Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br class="">
<br class="">
For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the
hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with
it.<br class="">
<br class="">
What do you think?<br class="">
<br class="">
Josenilson Mendes<br class="">
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Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br class="">
SignWriting List<br class="">
August 9, 2022<br class="">
<br class="">
Hello Josenilson!<br class="">
It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to
the SignWriting List.<br class="">
<br class="">
Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when
writing sign languages.<br class="">
<br class="">
For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to
me personally. I follow these everytime I write:<br
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<br class="">
SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact<br
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</a><br
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SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html</a><br
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and it continues for many pages following on the web…<br
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These guidelines can also be found at the end of the <br
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Lessons in SignWriting Textbook<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a><br
class="">
<br class="">
We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for
writing movement arrows and I had planned to write up a
report about our decisions that we made together and then
I got so busy I didn't get to it. Maybe now is the time to
get back into more discussions?<br class="">
<br class="">
So what specific questions do you have?<br class="">
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<img apple-inline="yes"
id="76653C95-7B0A-40F5-B607-584A9A197733"
src="cid:part12.d4e0yJUM.0QmgvNyH@gmail.com" class=""><br
class="">
Val ;-)<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30
PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
wrote:<br class="">
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Hi, SW-List!<br class="">
Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or
not threre are rules for SW.<br class="">
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This page <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/</a>
has spelling rules or not?<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite"
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"
class="">Greetings<br class="">
</blockquote>
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Josenilson Mendes<br class="">
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