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all SignWriting List members!<span></span></span></p>

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confirm that the example I write complies with the writing guidelines. Because
in the example contained in the image below, there is the writing made by
Valerie, and the other writing I added the tension symbol, although the
Handshape is not tensioned on the body, I believe that the tension symbol
reinforces that the Handshapes remain on the body, like if they were glued. I
think it could be an alternative to reinforce this. <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal"><br></span></p><img src="cid:ii_l79qxt6v12" alt="Example-touch and tense.png" width="561" height="194"><br><div>



















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possibility that meets the writing guidelines?<span></span></span></p>





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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 24 de ago. de 2022 às 18:02, Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com">rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">



















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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:12pt 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:107%;break-after:avoid;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal">Your guidance and confirmation of the examples used are
very valuable, I will complement it with the content of the video I am
preparing. Again, thank you so much for helping with our queries.</span><span><span>🥰</span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;font-weight:normal"> <span></span></span></p>

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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 23 de ago. de 2022 às 20:05, Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:joyoduncan@gmail.com" target="_blank">joyoduncan@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I never new we could do that !!! Awesome<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 8/20/2022 2:37 PM, Valerie Sutton
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      SignWriting List
      <div>August 20, 2022</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>HOW TO WRITE SIGNS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Video 1</div>
      <div>To write the LOCATION ABOVE THE WAIST, lengthen or
        expand the Torso. Put more space between the Shoulder Line and
        the Hip Line so you can place the sign above the waist.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Please see attached:</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470541BDDFA-7062-4DFF-A9D3-B37BBF2B1F04" src="cid:182d1a96032226f1e251" width="853" height="397"></div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:36 AM,
          Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>>
          wrote:<br>
          <br>
          SignWriting List<br>
          August 20, 2022<br>
          <br>
          Hello Rubens, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!<br>
          <br>
          Introduction<br>
          <br>
          Thank you for these important questions about “How to write
          signs in different locations”. Thank you for this beautiful
          video showing the signs in LIBRAS. I hope all of you will
          visit YouTube to see the signs. I will try to write them from
          the video and answer the questions one by one, by
          Video Number. Please note that I have changed the subject of
          this thread to “How to write signs in different locations”:
          The next email will be my writing of Video 1, and so forth...<br>
          <br>
          <a href="https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo</a><br>
          <br>
          <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470DF453390-86E6-49CD-8CD1-D0D0D99A93AE" src="cid:182d1a960323df59afe2" width="640" height="420"><br>
          <br>
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          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 18, 2022, at 10:24 PM,
            Profo Rubens Almeida
            <a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM></a> wrote:<br>
            <br>
            Hello Valerie, Josenilson and all SignWriting List members!<br>
            The writing made by Valerie based on the video produced by
            Josenilson provoked doubts in the SW WhatsApp group in
            Brazil, because as the symbol (*) was not written to touch,
            I understand that there is ambiguity, as I could read the
            writing as the sign was in front of the body, in
            neutral space, or as there is facial expression marking of
            teeth movement, it could be read as the front of the face.<br>
              I also have some doubts about how to write locations,
            especially writing sign that is performed with facial
            expression.<br>
            Below is some screenshots of the video I produced, I hope
            you understand the doubts.<br>
            Thank you for all your support!<br>
            Att,<br>
            Rubens Almeida<br>
             <br>
            Link:<br>
             <a href="https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/koqJzgcbroo</a><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_808456162262879747025A551E5-20AA-4F4B-B153-62F50229419B" src="cid:182d1a96032dba0ad363"><br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470E60ACC71-515C-4485-A5CC-88500D15465F" src="cid:182d1a96032dbaec4b74"><br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_808456162262879747086C39D17-B1B3-4E58-994E-8D3B89A21A77" src="cid:182d1a96033dbbcdc385"><br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470EDA61E7A-595B-4DFC-842A-B95914A2471D" src="cid:182d1a96033dbcaf3b96"><br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470EE1FBC45-674A-48C5-BE17-2E827915F8BB" src="cid:182d1a96033dbd90b3a7"><br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_808456162262879747003D2EC84-82F2-44AE-89CD-3CC01587A8C9" src="cid:182d1a96033dbe722bb8"><br>
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            <br>
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            Em dom., 14 de ago. de 2022 às 00:31, Josenilson da Silva
            Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jsm88b@gmail.com></a> escreveu:<br>
             Thank you very much!<br>
            Your answer was reported to my Whatsapp's group.<br>
            <br>
            Josenilson Mendes<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Em qui., 11 de ago. de 2022 às 15:24, Valerie Sutton
            <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br>
            SignWriting List<br>
            August 11, 2022<br>
            <br>
            Hello Josenilson and SignWriting List Members:<br>
            <br>
            Based on this video:<br>
            <a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br>
            <br>
            I created a screen capture of the Position of Contact and
            wrote the sign based on SignSpelling Guideline 1: Always
            write the Position of Contact, and SignSpelling Guideline 2:
            The Position of Contact becomes the Center of the Sign with
            the Movement Symbols relating to the Center. Please see
            attached. I will write another email with more detailed
            explanation and links to the SignSpelling Guidelines later….
            Thanks for the great question and feel free to comment -
            this is fun to be back in touch!<br>
            <br>
            <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470F17B597C-CB76-4DB6-9D1E-34582EB067D6" src="cid:182d1a960333926087a9" width="480" height="494"><br>
            <br>
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            <br>
            SignWriting List<br>
            August 11, 2022<br>
            <br>
            Thank you, Josenilson, for this video link. It is perfect!<br>
            <br>
            <a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br>
            <br>
            My answer is coming… Val ;-)<br>
            _____________<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:58
              AM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
              wrote:<br>
              <br>
              <a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/shorts/Xd5YMCTlZfI?feature=share</a><br>
              Josenilson Mendes<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 14:42, Josenilson da Silva
              Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@gmail.com" target="_blank"><jsm88b@gmail.com></a> escreveu:<br>
              <br>
              Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 02:11, Valerie Sutton
              <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br>
              SignWriting List<br>
              August 9, 2022<br>
              <br>
              Very interesting.<br>
              <br>
              Can you attach a short video showing the sign? That will
              really help.<br>
              <br>
              You are correct that simple contact is quite different
              than actually grasping clothing or holding a belly. The
              Grasp Symbol was developed to show holding something. For
              example holding somebody else's hand in dance, or pinching
              your ear, or pinching your clothing. But if the hands are
              only touching the chest but not really holding anything
              then you are right that a contact star is all you need. Or
              maybe you do not need a contact symbol there at all.<br>
              <br>
              However I still feel the need to see the sign because I'm
              not quite sure what I'm reading. Are the two hands in
              front of the belly or torso? With the fingers intertwined
              with each other doing a movement 2 times in-between each
              other?<br>
              <br>
              Can the two hands be placed closer to each other directly
              in the Torso area between the Shoulder and Hip Lines?<br>
               <br>
              Val ;-)<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Valerie Sutton<br>
              <a href="mailto:sutton@signwiting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwiting.org</a><br>
              <br>
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              <br>
              <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04
                PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br>
                <br>
                It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say
                it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree.
                For example:<br>
                <br>
                 <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br>
                <br>
                For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the
                hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact
                with it.<br>
                <br>
                What do you think?<br>
                <br>
                Josenilson Mendes<br>
              </blockquote>
            </blockquote>
            <br>
            <br>
            _____________<br>
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:04 PM,
              Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a> wrote:<br>
              <br>
              Hi, Valerie and friends of SW-List!<br>
              <br>
              It's about the symbol + (grasp contact). Some people say
              it is used to indicate permanent contact. I disagree. For
              example:<br>
              <br>
               <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_8084561622628797470E08742B3-63F5-4460-9F0B-1782A29E0322" src="cid:182d1a96033cb971f16a"><br>
              <br>
              <img id="gmail-m_-3417322899309687179gmail-m_80845616226287974706D1D8B83-FD33-40DF-8CCC-6B7EB6E311B7" src="cid:182d1a96033cb971f16b"><br>
              Mapinguari (indigenous legend)<br>
              <br>
              For me the + symbol should be replaced by *, because the
              hands don't hold the belly,they just stay in contact with
              it.<br>
              <br>
              What do you think?<br>
              <br>
              Josenilson Mendes<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Em qua., 10 de ago. de 2022 às 00:23, Valerie Sutton
              <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> escreveu:<br>
              SignWriting List<br>
              August 9, 2022<br>
              <br>
              Hello Josenilson!<br>
              It is great to read your message. Thank you for writing to
              the SignWriting List.<br>
              <br>
              Yes, for me at least, I follow Writing Guidelines when
              writing sign languages.<br>
              <br>
              For example, these two rules or guidelines mean a lot to
              me personally. I follow these everytime I write:<br>
              <br>
              SignSpelling Rule 1: Write the Position of Contact<br>
              <a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less063.html</a><br>
              <br>
              SignSpelling Rule 2: Every Sign Has A Center<br>
              <a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less064.html</a><br>
              <br>
              and it continues for many pages following on the web…<br>
              <br>
              These guidelines can also be found at the end of the <br>
              <br>
              Lessons in SignWriting Textbook<br>
<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0116-Lessons-SignWriting.pdf</a><br>
              <br>
              We had long discussions early in 2022 about guidelines for
              writing movement arrows and I had planned to write up a
              report about our decisions that we made together and then
              I got so busy I didn't get to it. Maybe now is the time to
              get back into more discussions?<br>
              <br>
              So what specific questions do you have?<br>
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              Val ;-)<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2022, at 7:30
                PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <a href="mailto:jsm88b@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><jsm88b@GMAIL.COM></a>
                wrote:<br>
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                Hi, SW-List!<br>
                Here in Brazil, we are in a discussion about whether or
                not threre are rules for SW.<br>
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                This page <a href="https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/</a>
                has spelling rules or not?<br>
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                <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Greetings<br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                Josenilson Mendes<br>
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