<div dir="ltr">Thank you so much Adam, taking notes.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue, 13 oct 2022 a la(s) 23:31, Adam Frost (<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I recall asking this same question about this mouth movement a few years ago. :-)<div><br></div><div>The way I have been writing it since I last asked is like this:</div><div><br></div><div><img id="m_7225171662712713038BD60FCA1-C41E-4F8C-B512-BBDA0BDF7DB1" width="46" height="45" src="cid:183d69fa30f6a11d83c1"></div><div><br></div><div>The additional symbol is actually under the bared teeth: <img id="m_72251716627127130388397ECC0-F10C-42D2-A1AE-6011DC9094C9" width="41" height="42" src="cid:183d69fa30f2f34313f2"> (I sometimes forget where it is too. But then I remember that it is there because it would be written for when people’s teeth chatter when they are cold. Ha!)</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 13, 2022, at 8:40 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>SignWriting List</div><div>October 13, 2022</div><div><br></div><div>Hello SignWriting List members and everyone writing vocabulary…</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for these wonderful contributions. I love them!</div><div><br></div><div>I'm creating a chart… not so simple but I will send a link when it is done</div><div><br></div><div>But now Hector and I need to ask your help…</div><div><br></div><div>How would you write Hector’s mouth movement on this video?…</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0idbOp5RUU" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0idbOp5RUU</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks so much ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Val 😊</div><div><br></div><div>___________</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 12, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Hector Devia Robayo <<a href="mailto:hdeviar@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">hdeviar@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hello Val and friends,<br><br>These are my motorcycle signs. <br><span id="m_7225171662712713038cid:ii_l96cnu8q5"><Captura de pantalla 2022-10-12 195532.png></span><br>But I had a problem writing a mouth movement that could differentiate the CL for motorcycle and bicycle. ¿Could you help me to write it correctly? <br><span id="m_7225171662712713038cid:ii_l96d27fl6"><Captura de pantalla 2022-10-12 200634.png></span><br><a href="https://youtu.be/f0idbOp5RUU" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/f0idbOp5RUU</a><br><br> <br> <br><br><br><br>El mié, 12 oct 2022 a la(s) 11:29, Valerie Sutton (<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a>) escribió:<br>SignWriting List<br>October 12, 2022<br><br>SW Vocabulary Lists: Signs for MOTORCYCLE<br><br>Thank you everyone, for your signs for MOTORCYCLE.<br><br>It looks like the sign is similar in 3 sign languages. But other signs, like TEACHER and others, were very different.<br><br>I will work on creating a chart today on the web, where we can compare the vocabulary.<br><br>I truly appreciate all your suggestions and contributions - please suggest other signs - every sign is valuable.<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br>PS. Want to know why I asked for the sign for MOTORCYCLE? I am trying to write this sentence:<br><br>“My neighbors have 4 children, 6 bicycles, 7 motorcycles and 5 cars.”<br><br>And this is based on a true story. Our neighbors really do have many vehicles. It is a busy street ;-)<br><br>------------<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">Messsages about the sign for MOTORCYCLE:<br><br>From: Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">rubens.escritadesinais@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: [SW-L] Signs for MOTORCYCLE<br>Date: October 12, 2022 at 7:56:46 AM PDT<br>To: <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <<a href="mailto:SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br><br>Hello Valerie and all SignWriting List members,<br><br>The spelling of the motorcycle sign in Libras is the same as that presented by Adam, as shown in the image below.<br><br> <br><span id="m_7225171662712713038cid:183cecb5c9849ab86a61"><LISTAS DE VOCABULÁRIO - SIGNWRITING LIST (MOTOCICLETA).jpg></span><br><br>Thanks for the opportunity to join the vocabulary list 😊🤟<br><br>Hugs!<br><br>Em ter., 11 de out. de 2022 às 15:44, Stefan Woehrmann <<a href="mailto:000000068eb2df61-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">000000068eb2df61-dmarc-request@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>> escreveu:<br>Hi Adam and all, <br><br>"I was just wondering if the movement was actually a wrist flex as you had written it. I noticed that I don’t sign it that way, but that is probably because I have a painful wrist. Ha!"<br><br>Yes, ...a wrist flex as I had written it. ;-))<br><br>"Is that the ending palm facing?" Yes<br><br>"If so, wouldn’t the movement be forward rather than up?"<br><br>Ha, this is an interesting question. Probably you are right. ;-)) On the other hand ..mh ...performing the movement "feels to me" ;-)) as if the fists move in place rather upward. <br><br>Thanks for Your attention to my spelling!<br><br>Stefan<br><br><br>__________<br><br><br><br>I do have a question about the handshape. Is that the ending palm facing? If so, wouldn’t the movement be forward rather than up? Or was the handshape supposed to be the beginning handshape? If that is the case, wouldn’t the handshape go under the movement arrows?<br><br>__________<br><br>Am Di., 11. Okt. 2022 um 20:08 Uhr schrieb Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>>:<br>I was referring to Stefan’s writing. Here it is:<br><br><span id="m_7225171662712713038cid:183cecb5c99f87d71a52"><ii_l94hmaf91.png></span><br><br><span id="m_7225171662712713038cid:183cecb5c9b4dbf12033"><namesign.png></span><br>Adam<br><br></blockquote>___________<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:<br><br>Thank you for your signs - Adam, what diagram are you referring to in your message below? Can you include the graphic - thanks so much for this great discussion...<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">icemandeaf@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br>I was just wondering if the movement was actually a wrist flex as you had written it. I noticed that I don’t sign it that way, but that is probably because I have a painful wrist. Ha!<br><br>I do have a question about the handshape. Is that the ending palm facing? If so, wouldn’t the movement be forward rather than up? Or was the handshape supposed to be the beginning handshape? If that is the case, wouldn’t the handshape go under the movement arrows?<br><br><namesign.png><br>Adam<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Stefan Woehrmann <<a href="mailto:000000068eb2df61-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU" target="_blank">000000068eb2df61-dmarc-request@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi Val, <br>this is my suggestion for the DGS sign "Motorrad"<br><br><grafik.png><br><br><br>Am Di., 11. Okt. 2022 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>>:<br>I would vote for the second one. Of course, if there are other suggestions on how to write it, I am open to discussing it. :-)<br><br><namesign.png><br>Adam<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG" target="_blank">sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG</a>> wrote:<br><br>SignWriting List<br>October 11, 2022<br><br>Hello everyone!<br><br>What are your signs for MOTORCYCLE?<br><br>I found two in the ASL SignPuddle, but, what do you want to include in our Vocabulary List?<br><br><glyphogram.png><br><br><br><glyphogram.png><br><br><br>I am so curious to see how other sign languages sign MOTORCYCLE!<br><br>Val ;-)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><br></blockquote><br>________________________________________________<br>-- <br><br>________________________________________________<br></blockquote><br>________________________________________________<br><br>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br><br>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List <a href="mailto:moderatorsutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">moderatorsutton@signwriting.org</a><br><br>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a><br><br>SignWriting List Archives & Home <a>Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a><br><br>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List <a>Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Hector Devia Robayo<br>(1) 7262526 | 300 2854172 |<br><a href="mailto:hdeviar@gmail.com" target="_blank">hdeviar@gmail.com</a> | Skype: hdevia.lsc<br>________________________________________________<br><br>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION<br><br>Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org" target="_blank">sutton@signwriting.org</a><br><br>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href="mailto:sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu" target="_blank">sw-l@listserv.valenciacollege.edu</a><br><br>SignWriting List Archives & Home <a>Pagehttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a><br><br>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List <a>Messageshttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1</a><br><br></blockquote><br></div>________________________________________________
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