<div dir="ltr">Hi John,<div>There is an ongoing project soon to be published based on <a href="https://github.com/sign-language-processing/transcription/tree/main/text_to_pose">this work</a> aiming to automatically animate HamNoSys into pose sequences, which can drive an avatar.</div><div><br></div><div><b>The idea is simple:</b> take videos and their transcription, and teach the computer to translate from the transcription back to the pose of the video</div><div>While this work is limited to HamNoSys, I do not doubt that once more dictionaries like <b>sign2mint</b> or <b>dictio</b> are available via API, it will be extended to SignWriting as well.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/sign-language-processing/transcription/tree/main/text_to_pose">This project</a> was 2-3 days of work, and the results are not amazing, however, advances in the field are seemingly promising, and with more work, it will probably look awesome.</div><div><br></div><div>Amit</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:37 PM John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I suggest we create a mapping between X3D/BVH, DanceWriting/MovementWriting and especially SignWriting, with DanceWriting/MovementWriting and SignWriting carrying the semantics, and X3D/BVH carrying the physics/mathematics.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SignWriting" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SignWriting</a></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Movement_Writing_Alphabet" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Movement_Writing_Alphabet</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe there are current developments on this, as reported on SW-L.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe that this, and translation to and/or supplementing with Protactile for the deafblind will go a long way towards making the Metaverse more accessible.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Note that Protactile is a full-duplex, two-way language, so that full-duplex communication is critical to success.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Plain ol’ video generation isn’t going to solve this!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:21 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi John. Good ideas, thanks for sharing them.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Once again, it appears as if all the capabilities necessary to accomplish that are defined in X3D4 with immense sets of BVH captures available out there. Good hunting, sir.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li style="margin-left:0in">X3D4 Architecture, 26.3.4 HAnimMotion<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-DIS/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimMotion" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/specifications/X3Dv4Draft/ISO-IEC19775-1v4-DIS/Part01/components/hanim.html#HAnimMotion</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li style="margin-left:0in">HAnim 2.0 Part 2: Humanoid animation (HAnim) motion data animation, 4 Concepts<u></u><u></u></li><li style="margin-left:0in"><a href="https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-2/V2.0/MotionDataAnimation/Concepts.html" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/documents/specifications/19774-2/V2.0/MotionDataAnimation/Concepts.html</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul></div></div><div lang="EN-US"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u> <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- <u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149<u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u><u style="font-family:"Courier New""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Carlson <<a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com" target="_blank">yottzumm@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 20, 2022 10:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> X3D Public Mailing List (<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:h-anim@web3d.org" target="_blank">h-anim@web3d.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [x3d-public] X3D4 Working Group agenda, 20 OCT 2022: discuss possible Avatar strategy<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hmm. I suggest extending the BVH to include multifigure collaborative motions like dancing (think Virginia Reel) and sports. That is, some kind of composed BVH with multiple avatars.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This may already be done.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:46 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <<a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">X3D Working Group meets weekly for continued advancement of the X3D4 Specifications.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Meeting time 09-1000 pacific, each Friday<u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fus02web.zoom.us%2Fj%2F81634670698%3Fpwd%3Da1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cd934066c06b54d9e5f2908dab2c300ef%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638018848839423330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MW4v64xMIXK24IDZdceGKtDDqgWP60YwubSLqOfSCFw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81634670698?pwd=a1VPeU5tN01rc21Oa3hScUlHK0Rxdz09</a> <u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F148206572&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cd934066c06b54d9e5f2908dab2c300ef%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638018848839423330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ioWhHDclKh8aalrR84sI08Iw9SELPg68b7Xo6GMEtFA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/148206572</a> Password 483805 <u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span><a href="https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/member/teleconference-information</a><u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-style:none none solid;border-bottom-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext"><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Here is a “new” proposed strategy, trying to say crisply the many essential ideas that are well known already by active participants in the X3D community.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i>(draft)</i> Avatar Strategy: Open, Interoperable, Personal, Secure<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">No standardized definition for “avatars” is provided in X3D4, but…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Many alternatives are possible, the “X” in “X3D” is Extensible. Vive la difference!<u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>X3D includes multiple levels of detail (LOD) if progressive avatar fidelity desired, this is essential for hugely scalable worlds.<u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Most powerful Web3D example design to date: Silhouette Avatars by IVN, <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fivn.net%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cd934066c06b54d9e5f2908dab2c300ef%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638018848839423330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CtDmvmFFwBAvZim267Kyo9joM1Ey7g%2BuVb%2F9TgeMhy8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://ivn.net</a><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Metadata for identity, secure digital signature and even encryption is possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Composing 3D scans and motion-capture (mocap) data for full avatar realism remains really interesting! Interesting progress continues on this challenge.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">X3D Working Group intends to demonstrate whatever avatar definitions are agreed upon by Metaverse Standards Forum. We expect to show full matching Implementation and Evaluation using X3D, learning further what avatar designs work well.<u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-style:none none solid;border-bottom-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext"><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Let’s discuss please. All inputs and discussion welcome.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Corresponding Web3D member-only draft slideset available at<u></u><u></u></p><ul type="disc"><li>Representing Metaverse Humans with Open Standards<u></u><u></u></li><li>Humanoid Animation (HAnim) and X3D4 ISO Specification Support<u></u><u></u></li><li>Web3D Consortium Communications Team<u></u><u></u></li><li><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2F13yAhoU9h7Buy5fUjSpPoOHYVJ6dgJDYulDS9Ze8na4M%2Fedit%23slide%3Did.p&data=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7Cd934066c06b54d9e5f2908dab2c300ef%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638018848839423330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BCjRn2m6AHyoKAepLl9oYn%2BLOjWDgTmTsCCzbRwIVbw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13yAhoU9h7Buy5fUjSpPoOHYVJ6dgJDYulDS9Ze8na4M/edit#slide=id.p</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Membership has value!<u></u><u></u></p><ul type="disc"><li>Join the Web3D Consortium<u></u><u></u></li><li>The Web3D Consortium is a non-profit group open to industry, academic, government and individual members.<u></u><u></u></li><li><a href="https://www.web3d.org/join" target="_blank">https://www.web3d.org/join</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Have fun with X3D, Human Animation and Avatars! 8)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">all the best, Don</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">-- </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Don Brutzman Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br <a href="mailto:brutzman@nps.edu" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">brutzman@nps.edu</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Watkins 270, MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA +1.831.656.2149</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">X3D graphics, virtual worlds, Navy robotics https://</span> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman" style="font-family:"Courier New"" target="_blank">faculty.nps.edu/brutzman</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>x3d-public mailing list<br><a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org" target="_blank">x3d-public@web3d.org</a><br><a href="http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org" target="_blank">http://web3d.org/mailman/listinfo/x3d-public_web3d.org</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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