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    <p>I think SignWriting should be able to write Protactile ASL.  Can 
      you think of any situations where it would be extremely difficult
      to write?</p>
    <p>Yes, it would have to be more then an Avatar for a deaf-blind,
      you're right a robot would be more like it.</p>
    <p>Jonathan<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/2023 7:22 PM, John Carlson
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Do we have a version of SignWriting for Protactile
        ASL?</div>
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      <div dir="auto">I think we need SignWriting into some kind of
        motion code, perhaps through robotic actuators.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Imagine Boston Dynamics doing a sign language
        demonstration.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">I’m way beyond dialog with an AI and typical
        multicast.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Think communication chain reaction, tree
        reactions, fluid reaction, chemical reaction, gas reaction.  
        The Big Bang of communication starting everywhere in the
        universe.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">John </div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 5:15
            PM Jonathan Duncan <<a href="mailto:joyoduncan@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">joyoduncan@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <p>Hi John and Joseph, <br>
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              <p>    I think what would be useful first would be a
                ChatGPT prompt that could interpret SignWriting into
                BVH.  Then we could go from SignWriting to avatars.</p>
              <p>What do you think?</p>
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              <p>Jonathan<br>
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              <div>On 5/29/2023 12:16 PM, Joseph D Williams wrote:<br>
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                    <li style="margin-left:0in">Show me the natural
                      semantic metalanguage primes in Pro-tactile
                      American Sign Language with motions described as
                      BVH (Biovision Hierarchy).</li>
                  </ul>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">OK, BVH gives a hierarchy of
                    actuators and data for each actuator at some fixed
                    time interval. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">For example, one set of data
                    could be the rotation of a wrist joint over some
                    time interval at some fixed sample times. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Now all you need to do is
                    describe where the joint position and rotation at
                    the start of the motion, what happens during the
                    motion and where and when that motion is complete.
                    Next, since other elements of the hand may change
                    position during the motion we can deal with other
                    elements of the hand. For instance, in this motion
                    the index finger second joint bends from relaxed to
                    straight to 90 degrees to straight then relaxed
                    during the motion. In other  words, the right hand
                    index finger second joint does some pitch animation.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Joe</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
                      </b><a href="mailto:yottzumm@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">John
                        Carlson</a><br>
                      <b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 29, 2023 5:30 AM<br>
                      <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:david@universiti.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">David
                        Kaplan</a>; <a
                        href="mailto:SW-L@listserv.valenciacollege.edu"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">SW-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>;
                      <a href="mailto:x3d-public@web3d.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">X3D
                        Graphics public mailing list</a>; <a
                        href="mailto:semantics-public@web3d.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">X3D
                        Semantic Web Working Group</a><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>[x3d-public] PTASL NSM primes in
                      BVH—Help</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Getting this to work would be a
                    great step forward for accessibility, HAnim, and X3D
                    semantics.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">ChatGPT prompt:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Show me the natural semantic
                      metalanguage primes in Pro-tactile American Sign
                      Language with motions described as BVH (Biovision
                      Hierarchy).</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone?  I can give general
                      English descriptions of PTASL of each prime in
                      English (or you can retrieve it yourself).</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">John</p>
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