<div dir="ltr">As I said in the other email, there are two ways to write:<br>1. Exact writing (100% faithful recording of the signed phonology, representing all parameters as done)<br>2. Meaningful writing (record necessary for reading and understanding the sign.)<br><br>The international signwriting rules that we have in manuals are more focused on the first case, as to create dictionaries using examples, an "exact writing" record is ideal. Because a foreigner can read and reproduce the signal.<br>However, the second case "Meaningful writing" becomes much more useful for writing books, letters, messages and personal notes.<br>In fact, this second case "Meaningful writing" has rules for each country, independently, as there are more writers and everything is fine.<br>For example, in Brazil we demarcate the plural with small dashes " | | ", proposed by Debora Campos.<br>This is not absurd. Many languages, including English, do not read exactly what is written, pronunciation is an arbitrary agreement, this opens up the possibility of "pronouncing" mentioned by Adam.<br><br>I'm making material that talks exactly about these international rules and national rules, as we still don't have official material about this (that talks about this).<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 8:31 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I reference to my previous email, I am talking about the SW with the two touch symbols (no arrows).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AnnaGrace </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 7:18 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <<a href="mailto:msannagrace20@gmail.com" target="_blank">msannagrace20@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Profo Almeida,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In the second video on this thread, I would read the SW as “only the right hand moves and touches the stationary left palm” as indicated in the second demonstration within the video.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AnnaGrace </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 5:57 PM Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com" target="_blank">rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:1cm;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Exactly
Adam, regardless of the use of the three movements (movement made by the right
hand, left hand or both) does not change the meaning. I used this example to
make sure how to correctly read the writing of the “tempo (soccer)” sign with
the double touch symbol. Now it has become clear that in this case, in the
reading process it allows varying different movements by not changing the
meaning. And in cases where the movement of the sign is specific in relation to
the dominant hand and the passive hand, I must write with the corresponding
arrow and not just the contact symbols.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:1cm;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Again,
thank you very, very, very much Adam for the clarification!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:1cm;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Signed
hugs!</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em sáb., 14 de out. de 2023 às 16:51, Adam Frost <<a href="mailto:icemandeaf@gmail.com" target="_blank">icemandeaf@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>When writing with only the double touch symbol, any of those movements could be interpreted and acceptable. My question is do those other movements have a difference in meaning? If not, it just becomes a difference in accent, but people will still understand each other. If there is a difference, then you should write it for the difference in meaning.<div><br></div><div>ASL has a sign that is similar to your sign for time, but only the double touch contact symbols would be used because it really doesn’t matter which of the three different movements are done as it doesn’t change the meaning.</div><div><br><div>
<span><img src="cid:18b30314f6a4dbf12031" style="width: 59px; max-width: 100%;"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Adam</span>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <<a href="mailto:rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com" target="_blank">rubens.escritadesinais@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Hello
to all SignWriting List members!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">I'm
here again with more questions for you...</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">The
contact symbols: (touch, grasp, between, strike, brush and rub) are part of the
movement category, which is why in certain cases we can write movement signals
using only the touch contact symbol, without the need to use the arrows.
However, if there is a need to highlight the movement performed by the right or
left hand, it is necessary to write the arrow corresponding to the correct hand.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">In
the video that I make available via the link below, I used the example of writing
the “time” sign in LIBRAS (Brazilian Sign Language) which has movement and we
generally write only with the contact symbol touching, without using arrows.
But, when we write this way, how should this writing be read? What is the
direction of movement indicated by the contact symbol touching the writing of
this sign?.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif">Video
link:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif"><a href="https://youtu.be/VL0T2G5wTQI" style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style",serif;color:rgb(5,99,193)" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/VL0T2G5wTQI</a></span></p><div style="text-align:justify;text-indent:21.3pt;margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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