<div dir="ltr">Thanks, Craxton. If you could connect me with Thimo Kleyboldt that would be great.<div><br></div><div>And thanks Valerie! with the updated resource from 2014, and pointing out the inhale/exhale symbols, we are now <a href="https://github.com/sign-language-processing/signwriting/tree/main/signwriting/mouthing">done with 39/49 visemes</a>! </div><div>Only 10 more to go. If you have any ideas on how to address them, that would be great :) </div><div><br></div><div>what are the symbols used for the mouths here?</div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx1up3p0" alt="image.png" style="margin-right: 0px;" width="479" height="91"><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx1v1df1" alt="image.png" width="479" height="91"><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx1xcf44" alt="image.png" width="479" height="92"><br></div><div>for these - the mouth is specifically not round. what symbol should I alternate for?</div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx1vt373" alt="image.png" width="479" height="143"><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx21bvd5" alt="image.png" width="479" height="93"><br></div><div>not sure how to draw this mouth and tongue: (different than "n")</div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx22bjb6" alt="image.png" width="479" height="94"><br></div><div>these three are also quite special, any ideas?</div><div><img src="cid:ii_lxx238w37" alt="image.png" width="479" height="336"><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:18 AM Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">SignWriting List<br>
June 26, 2024<br>
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Hello Amit,<br>
Thank you for this important interest in Mundbildschrift.<br>
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And thank you, Stefan Woehrmann, for giving Mundbildschrift to the world. I used to call it “SpeechWriting” in English, but others called it LipWriting or Mouth Writing ;-)<br>
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No matter what it was called, it is very innovative and successful.<br>
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Regarding documents, there are other publications on Mundbildschrift at later dates after 2010, in books as well as the internet. I will try to provide you with some links. It started to spread in Brazil too, so it is not only Germany.<br>
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For example, here are some published in 2014, at the SignWriting Symposium 2014:<br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0002.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0002.html</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_Abstract_Woerhmann's_SpeechWriting_Teaches_Spoken_Language.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_Abstract_Woerhmann's_SpeechWriting_Teaches_Spoken_Language.pdf</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_01_How_I_teach_Mundbildschrift.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_01_How_I_teach_Mundbildschrift.pdf</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_02_Mundbilder_in_SignWriting_and_Spelling_rules.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_02_Mundbilder_in_SignWriting_and_Spelling_rules.pdf</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_03_ABC_in_Mundbildschrift_For_English.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_03_ABC_in_Mundbildschrift_For_English.pdf</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_04_ABC_Tabelle_neu_SW_Deutsch.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_04_ABC_Tabelle_neu_SW_Deutsch.pdf</a><br>
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This one is dated 2014<br>
<a href="https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_05_Overview_of_Symbols_in_Mundbildschrift_Juli_2014.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_05_Overview_of_Symbols_in_Mundbildschrift_Juli_2014.pdf</a><br>
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All of the symbols in Mundbildschrift originally were based on the symbols in Sutton SignWriting, but then they were somewhat exagerated or stylized to look a little different but very close to the original…<br>
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For a sample, look at the attached screen capture from SWU - these are SignWriting symbols for Air - they look slightly different, but very close to the ones used in Mundbildschrift<br>
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And they are not arm lines!<br>
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> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:29 AM, Amit Moryossef <<a href="mailto:amitmoryossef@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">amitmoryossef@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi all,<br>
> I've been interested in writing mouthing using SignWriting, and encountered Mundbildschrift,<br>
> with the latest documentation being here from 2010.<br>
> <br>
> I modernized that document, collecting all the samples, correcting IPA when needed, and re-writing the SignWriting in FSW instead of using images.<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://github.com/sign-language-processing/signwriting/tree/main/signwriting/mouthing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sign-language-processing/signwriting/tree/main/signwriting/mouthing</a> <br>
> However, as you can see, I am missing many writings, specifically ones that are not easily available, for example:> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Therefore, I would appreciate any help to modernize this, by sending me any of the missing writing from the table or discussing alternatives. In my opinion, the writing should be efficient - I could write the last image above (with a plosive) using 6 different arms, but that seems like a waste.<br>
> <br>
> Looking forward to seeing your suggestions!<br>
> Amit<br>
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