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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You might write to Ethnologue directly to see what their stated motivation is. I know I’ve been asked in the past by the South Asia editor to submit corrections
and suggestions. Perhaps your expertise in all this Ladakhi would be well received.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Shobhana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Tibeto-burman-linguistics [mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>B. Zeisler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tibeto-Burman Linguistics <tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Language and ignorance (and/or politics?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Dear all,<br>
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I would like to know what you all think about this:<br>
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When choosing a language/ script in Fieldworks (SIL) you get the following options for Ladakhi:<br>
Changtang Ladakhi India cna<br>
Ladakhi China lbj<br>
Ladakhi India lbj<br>
<b>Central Ladakhi China lbj<br>
</b>Central Ladakhi India lbj<br>
<b>Lower Ladakhi China lbj<br>
</b>Lower Ladakhi India lbj<br>
<b>Nubra Ladakhi China lbj<br>
</b>Nubra Ladakhi India lbj<br>
Upper Ladkhi India lbj<br>
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The entry in the ethnologue is different, though the section "also spoken in" is highly misleading. Most probably it means that Ladakhi, of which one not further specified dialect is spoken in China (in the eastern Changthang), has several dialects, namely
those listed, but it could equally well be understood that all these dialects were spoken in China:<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">Also spoken in: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="fieldset-legend"><a href="https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lbj"><span class="fieldset-legend-prefix">Hide Details</span> China</a></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Language name</strong><span class="field-content">Ladakhi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Population</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">12,000 in China (1995). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Location</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Western Xizang Tibet Autonomous Region. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ladak, Ladaphi, Ladhakhi, Ladwags<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Dialects</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Leh (Central Ladakhi), Nubra Ladakhi, Shamma (Lower Ladakhi, Sham, Shamskat).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Status</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">6b (Threatened). Language of recognized nationality: Tibetan.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Writing</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Tibetan script <a href="http://www.scriptsource.org/scr/Tibt" target="\">[Tibt]</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Other Comments</strong> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Buddhist (Lamaist). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.ethnologue.com/country/cn/languages">View other languages of China</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><br>
While one can ask the question whether the language spoken in the eastern part of the Changthang (in the VR China) should be called Ladakhi at all (what are actually the defining properties?),<br>
it is in no way acceptable to claim that the dialects of Nubra, Central and Lower Ladakh are spoken in China.<br>
No part of Lower Ladakh is in China (or if so this can only be bits of non-inhabited mountain ranges).<br>
As for Nubra, the Aksai Chin with the upper course of the Shayok has come into the hands of China, but the area is not inhabited.<br>
What is spoken at the Shayok river that reaches into Ladakh, e.g. in Shayok or Laga, is not a Nubra dialect but a Changthang dialect.<br>
I also wonder which parts of Central Ladakh could possibly reach into China, so that its dialects could be spoken there.<br>
(Interestingly enough the Upper Ladakhi/ Changthang dialects are assigned solely to India.)<br>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">I would like to hear your oppinion whether such classifications are made out of sheer ignorance and/or what would be worse:<br>
this kind of ignorance and neglect or the apparent political servitude towards China (which in the last years gave rise to the impression that it wants to claim more and more parts of what is actually Indian territory)?<br>
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I also wonder what kind of consequences we linguists should draw.<br>
Should we just laugh and shrug our shoulders?<br>
I, for my part, just wanted to test Fieldworks, but I am not sure whether I really want to go on with it.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
Bettina Zeisler <br>
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