<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Chris,<div class="">I don’t know what you mean by vowelessness, as it wasn’t actually discussed in the post you linked to, but the essay you posted there was written by someone who is completely clueless about Chinese characters, and the essay is full of misconceptions and falsehoods, such as characters can’t be used with modern technology, there is no phonetic basis for characters, etc. There was one proponent of going phonetic with Chinese, John DeFrancis, long before the person you cite, but the Chinese never took him seriously.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Randy</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 8 Jun 2016, at 2:52 am, Chris Button <<a href="mailto:chris.button@hotmail.com" class="">chris.button@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><p class="">Hello everyone,</p><p class=""><br class="">
</p><p class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class="">Randy's comment about "how much more interesting and significant is
the life and work of one who takes the language/culture/people as the base of what one does rather than taking abstract theoretical models as the core of what one does" made me think of a comment I received recently.</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class="">
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known as "JS" over at the UPenn Language Log here (starting with my second post on May 16): <a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=25730" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk68063" title="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=25730
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suggestion that no underlying distinction exists between consonants and vowels in language (i.e. it all goes back to the syllable as the basic building block) was challenged as an "odd theoretical commitment". As someone who has personally conducted fieldwork
over in Burma, I was a little chagrined but not at all surprised. While I believe that the comparative evidence from Sino-Tibetan / Tibeto-Burman languages can only point to such a conclusion (as is the case with Indo-European languages), I do understand that
suggesting a notion of "vowellessness" to linguists (by relegating "vowels" to surface phonetic realisations) is like suggesting DNA doesn't exist to Biologists! </span></p><p class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class="">
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the few people who have championed the "vowelessness" cause in the past seem to have all passed on now. However, I was wondering if anyone here knows of any academics, within the field of Tibeto-Burman linguistics or not, who is sympathetic to such a cause?
If so I would really appreciate being put in touch with them. At the very least, it might stop me thinking that I am just completely crazy!</span></p><p class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class="">
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the best,</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""></span></span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" class=""><br class="">
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