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<p>I think we need to separate the issues of "Naga" appearing in
language names and "Naga" appearing in linguistic subgroup labels.
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<p>Unless I'm mistaken, nobody seems to be presenting a strong
argument that "Naga" should be retained in language names - as
Scott and Alec point out, speakers don't append "Naga" to their
language names, so why should linguists (or anyone else)?
Seemingly, the tendency to do so dates to a time when it was
imagined these languages should all form some sort of coherent
linguistic grouping - and that seems to be the logic behind
Ethnologue using labels like "Naga, Inpui" (or if it isn't, then I
don't understand what the logic is - I certainly hope it's not on
ethnic grounds) - but surely this no longer applies, or at least
not as a default assumption, so we don't lose any linguistic
information by dropping the "Naga" appendix to a given language
name. It seems like it would be easy for Ethnologue to simply make
these changes, so I don't know why they wouldn't; maybe they're
just waiting for someone to put in the ISO-639-3 name change
request for all the relevant languages? <br>
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<p>As for subgroup labels, though, this is much trickier, and
several listmembers will remember a time not so long ago when Rob
Burling and I were casting around for advice on what to do with
subgroup labels in the Indo-Myanmar area for the NEI TB langs
chapter revision for the Routledge ST second edition. We didn't
like the idea of using a single language in the subgroup to
represent the whole subgroup (a la "Mirish" for Tani), for the
obvious reason that this seems to imply some sort of privileged
status for this language within the subgroup, and annoys speakers
of other languages within the subgroup so named (in addition to
potentially misleading some linguists). Some subgroups are small
enough that you could fit most if not all of the main languages
into a single label, but that's not the usual case (and
furthermore, language names also change, and subgroup memberships
also get re-argued, etc....). We also didn't like the idea of
using cross-subgroup ethnic labels like "Naga" for the reasons
that Alec mentioned - it seems to imply a mid-level grouping that
isn't actually intended (for example, between Northern Naga
(Konyak group) and Central Naga (Ao group)). We asked around for
some better ideas, thinking along the lines of "Tani" (a shared
mythological ancestor, as well as the vernacular for 'person') or
the recently-named "Kamengic", to describe a group of seemingly
related languages spoken nearby to the rather large Kameng River
in W. Arunachal Pradesh. In other words, a linguistic label if a
nice and neutral one could be found, and a suitable geographic
label if one couldn't. But in a few cases, at least, we were
unsuccessful in our search, and since we didn't want to impose any
of our own putative "neutral" labels on an areas we don't know as
intimately as others do (e.g. a nearby major river, whose names on
maps are often exonyms to start with, or the names of nearby
nations to which at least some of the speakers might not even
really want to belong in the first place), we could only adopt the
labels that seemed to be the most prevalent in the literature, or
that featured in a prominent recent study of the subgroup (for
example, Dan Bruhn's recent Proto-Central-Naga book). I'd be very
happy if someone could do a better job at this than we were able
to, because it would be nice to remove the potential confusions
mentioned above. But it seems to me that each subgroup label is
going to have to be argued for on a subgroup-by-subgroup basis, in
the absence of any agreed-upon higher-order grouping. And, we
should be pretty happy that these labels, once proposed, are going
to stick so nicely that we don't end up just introducing yet more
"nymic" confusion into an already saturated field. At least,
that's what I would be thinking if I were an Ethnologue editor. <br>
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<p>Mark<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/01/2017 1:05 AM, Scott DeLancey
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<p>I spend a good bit of time in southeastern Manipur among
speakers of languages which Ethnologue labels "Monsang Naga",
"Anal Naga", etc. And while all the communities are indubitably
Naga, and quite assertive about it, I have never heard anyone
refer to any of the languages that way -- they are simply
"Monsang" etc. (They do, however, object vociferously to hearing
their languages called "Old Kuki", which is where they fall in
terms of genetic classification. We are now replacing that term
with "Northwest Kuki-Chin", which is still not popular but at
least doesn't make people visibly angry).</p>
<p>Scott DeLancey</p>
<p>On 2017-01-26 12:45, Alexander Coupe wrote:</p>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
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<div>It is certainly important to have the input of the
communities involved, so I asked my collaborator Dr T.
Temsunungsang for his opinion on the issue, as he is
ethnically Ao, a Naga, a Mongsen Ao speaker, and a linguist.
He is currently not subscribed to the TB discussion list, so
with his permission I have shared his response with list
members below:</div>
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<div>Hi Alec,
<div dir="auto">Interesting discussion there. For the Aos, i
believe identity starts from the village. So, in the past,
if you ask what language an Ao speaks, most probably you
would get the village name. But after standardisation, it
has become Ao for most speakers. I think this is true for
the other tribes as well. Hence, the word Naga has no role
in the linguistic identity. In recent times, we have started
using Aoo (Ao language) to refer to the language. A similar
case with Poumai, using Poula (language of the Poumais). </div>
<div dir="auto">But as you have mentioned, the word Naga has a
very strong political and culture related attachment to the
people. </div>
<div dir="auto">I agree with you that linguists should stop
using the word Naga for linguistic affiliation. It mixes up
separate fields, leading to misuse and abuse. </div>
<div dir="auto">And perhaps Ethnologue can start this process
by removing Naga from all the language names!</div>
<div dir="auto">Best</div>
<div dir="auto">Temsü</div>
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<div>While I appreciate the points made in previous posts
concerning the potential social ramifications of using
particular labels, as linguists we need to distinguish clearly
between using labels for social or political identities, and
using labels for linguistic affiliations. They do not
necessarily coincide, so why contribute to the confusion by
continuing to pretend that they do in our classifications?
This logically applies to our choice of labels not only at the
individual language level, but also at the group level. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Alec</div>
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Wednesday, 25
January 2017 at 8:55 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">To: </span>Randy LaPolla
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Nathan & Carey Statezni <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span>Re:
[Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Changes to Myanmar Naga group
names in Ethnologue</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">It is also useful
to note that Karen is an ethnonym given the groups who
find themselves under it by Tai speaking dominant
groups. Although many have since adopted it for the
purpose of political organization, it is not their
name for themselves traditionally, nor is it the name
they give to the various languages/dialects that fall
under that umbrella (I speak here having just left a
Pa keun yaw (pardon my on-the-fly Romanization)
village that the Thai would call Karieng and we would
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<strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randy J. LaPolla<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, January 24, 2017
7:24 AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> Nathan & Carey Statezni
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<strong>Cc:</strong> The Tibeto-Burman Discussion
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
[Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Changes to Myanmar
Naga group names in Ethnologue<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It might differ with different
groups. For example, using the ethnic term Kachin to
refer to the language Jinghpaw, as was done in the
past, is problematic because there are people who are
classified as Kachin but whose native language is not
Jinghpaw. In China speakers of many different
languages were lumped together under a single name
(e.g. "Zang", usually translated as "Tibetan", but not
what the Tibetans call themselves, and includes people
who don't speak Tibetan, such as the majority of Qiang
speakers; see Poa, Dory & LaPolla, Randy J. 2007.
Minority languages of China. In Osahito Miyaoka and
Michael E. Krauss (eds.), <em>The Vanishing Languages
of the Pacific</em>, 337-354. Oxford: Oxford
University Press.<span> </span><span><a
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: interestingly, some of the
Qiang speaking Zang are now trying to have their own
name for their language and people recognised as the
name of the language in Chinese, because they aren't
comfortable calling it Qiang (as they are not
classified as Qiang any more), yet can't call it
Tibetan.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Jan 2017, at 9:51 AM,
Nathan & Carey Statezni <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:
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initial;">I appreciate very much your work on
these languages, Alec, and your effort to keep
Ethnologue updated on the status of
classification.<span style="font-size: 9.5pt;"><!-- o ignored --></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-size:
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initial;">It would be fine with me to drop the
label "Naga" from linguistic classifications;
it's quite confusing. I'm particularly
concerned about the language group perspective
for changes made, but it's typically not a big
deal for language family and branch, etc.
names to change, as long as the new name
doesn't seem to favor one group. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:
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initial;">However, language names are another
matter. Language names are not linguistic -
they're social. Ethnologue's use of Chin and
Naga in language names is not a classification
tool but a reflection of the group's own
socio-ethnic grouping. It's part of their
language's name and identity.<span
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initial;">If it were decided to remove Naga
from all the names, that would not thus mean
that the groups don't refer to themselves as
Naga. We would at least need a comment that
this language group identifies itself as part
of a socio-ethnic group called the Naga.
Should Chin then be removed from all names as
well? What about Karen? Where do we stop? What
is our criterion for including or not
including it? Ethnologue doesn't typically
include branch names in the language names.
However, it does include socio-ethnic group
names where those are salient, as is the case
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initial;">I think we would also need to hear
more from these communities. In the
pre-internet days, very few community members
had access to the Ethnologue. Now, communities
regularly access it and even use it in usually
good ways to get recognition and promote their
people. On the Myanmar side at least, Naga,
Chin, and Karen identity is salient. People
I've talked to want to have Naga/Chin/Karen in
their name, even for groups like Chin,
Anu-Hkongso, which isn't a Kuki-Chin language.<span
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style="color: #500050;">It would also be
helpful to hear from Michael or others about
how similar issues have been handled in the
Ethnologue for other parts of the world.</span><span
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have a baby any day now, so if I'm not able
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style="font-size:
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believe it is time to
drop the label "Naga"
from any linguistic
classification, because
is will continue to
mislead non-specialists
into assuming that these
"Naga" languages of
Myanmar and the
so-called "Naga"
languages of northern,
central and southern
Nagaland and adjacent
regions of Assam,
Arunachal Pradesh and
Manipur somehow form a
robustly attested branch
of Sino-Tibetan. The
term "Naga" has become
an important political
tool for helping to
establish an
ethno-nationalistic
identity for disparate
and marginalized
minorities in the
northeastern border
region, but it lacks
credibility as a
linguistic label. This
is because we currently
know that it includes at
least 2 and possibly
even 3 or 4 more
separate branches –
subgrouping is still a
work in progress, and we
just don't have enough
reliable descriptions at
present to make any
strong claims beyond
Burling's (1983) Sal
branch. I have been
campaigning for a
revision in naming
conventions for these
languages in recent
publications, and also
consulting with
Ethnologue to address
the currently misleading
nature of "Naga"
nomenclature (e.g. see <a
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Ethnologue is currently
considering adopting a
number of these
recommendations, so
following suit with
similar naming
conventions for the
languages of Myanmar
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<strong>Date: </strong>Thursday,
19 January 2017 at 6:09
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<strong>To: </strong>"<a
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Changes to Myanmar Naga
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proposing
changes to the
name in the
Ethnologue for
some Naga
groups in
Myanmar, to
match their
own name for
themselves and
the spelling
used in their
orthographies,
based on
discussions
with these
groups. Here
are my
proposed
changes (all
the current
names would
become
alternate
names): Any
thoughts?<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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Naga [umn]
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Paungnyuan
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Naga [nqq]
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Naga [lzn]
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[nxk] becomes
Kokak Naga
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consistency
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Naga group
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style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">By the
way, all
Ethnologue
updates need
to be in by
January each
year. The new
edition comes
out on
February 21
each year,
International
Mother
Language Day.<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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