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    <p>I think we need to separate the issues of "Naga" appearing in
      language names and "Naga" appearing in linguistic subgroup labels.
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>Unless I'm mistaken, nobody seems to be presenting a strong
      argument that "Naga" should be retained in language names - as
      Scott and Alec point out, speakers don't append "Naga" to their
      language names, so why should linguists (or anyone else)?
      Seemingly, the tendency to do so dates to a time when it was
      imagined these languages should all form some sort of coherent
      linguistic grouping - and that seems to be the logic behind
      Ethnologue using labels like "Naga, Inpui" (or if it isn't, then I
      don't understand what the logic is - I certainly hope it's not on
      ethnic grounds) - but surely this no longer applies, or at least
      not as a default assumption, so we don't lose any linguistic
      information by dropping the "Naga" appendix to a given language
      name. It seems like it would be easy for Ethnologue to simply make
      these changes, so I don't know why they wouldn't; maybe they're
      just waiting for someone to put in the ISO-639-3 name change
      request for all the relevant languages? <br>
    </p>
    <p>As for subgroup labels, though, this is much trickier, and
      several listmembers will remember a time not so long ago when Rob
      Burling and I were casting around for advice on what to do with
      subgroup labels in the Indo-Myanmar area for the NEI TB langs
      chapter revision for the Routledge ST second edition. We didn't
      like the idea of using a single language in the subgroup to
      represent the whole subgroup (a la "Mirish" for Tani), for the
      obvious reason that this seems to imply some sort of privileged
      status for this language within the subgroup, and annoys speakers
      of other languages within the subgroup so named (in addition to
      potentially misleading some linguists). Some subgroups are small
      enough that you could fit most if not all of the main languages
      into a single label, but that's not the usual case (and
      furthermore, language names also change, and subgroup memberships
      also get re-argued, etc....). We also didn't like the idea of
      using cross-subgroup ethnic labels like "Naga" for the reasons
      that Alec mentioned - it seems to imply a mid-level grouping that
      isn't actually intended (for example, between Northern Naga
      (Konyak group) and Central Naga (Ao group)). We asked around for
      some better ideas, thinking along the lines of "Tani" (a shared
      mythological ancestor, as well as the vernacular for 'person') or
      the recently-named "Kamengic", to describe a group of seemingly
      related languages spoken nearby to the rather large Kameng River
      in W. Arunachal Pradesh. In other words, a linguistic label if a
      nice and neutral one could be found, and a suitable geographic
      label if one couldn't. But in a few cases, at least, we were
      unsuccessful in our search, and since we didn't want to impose any
      of our own putative "neutral" labels on an areas we don't know as
      intimately as others do (e.g. a nearby major river, whose names on
      maps are often exonyms to start with, or the names of nearby
      nations to which at least some of the speakers might not even
      really want to belong in the first place), we could only adopt the
      labels that seemed to be the most prevalent in the literature, or
      that featured in a prominent recent study of the subgroup (for
      example, Dan Bruhn's recent Proto-Central-Naga book). I'd be very
      happy if someone could do a better job at this than we were able
      to, because it would be nice to remove the potential confusions
      mentioned above. But it seems to me that each subgroup label is
      going to have to be argued for on a subgroup-by-subgroup basis, in
      the absence of any agreed-upon higher-order grouping. And, we
      should be pretty happy that these labels, once proposed, are going
      to stick so nicely that we don't end up just introducing yet more
      "nymic" confusion into an already saturated field. At least,
      that's what I would be thinking if I were an Ethnologue editor. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Mark<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/01/2017 1:05 AM, Scott DeLancey
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>I spend a good bit of time in southeastern Manipur among
        speakers of languages which Ethnologue labels "Monsang Naga",
        "Anal Naga", etc. And while all the communities are indubitably
        Naga, and quite assertive about it, I have never heard anyone
        refer to any of the languages that way -- they are simply
        "Monsang" etc. (They do, however, object vociferously to hearing
        their languages called "Old Kuki", which is where they fall in
        terms of genetic classification. We are now replacing that term
        with "Northwest Kuki-Chin", which is still not popular but at
        least doesn't make people visibly angry).</p>
      <p>Scott DeLancey</p>
      <p>On 2017-01-26 12:45, Alexander Coupe wrote:</p>
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        <div>Dear all,</div>
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        <div>It is certainly important to have the input of the
          communities involved, so I asked my collaborator Dr T.
          Temsunungsang for his opinion on the issue, as he is
          ethnically Ao, a Naga, a Mongsen Ao speaker, and a linguist.
          He is currently not subscribed to the TB discussion list, so
          with his permission I have shared his response with list
          members below:</div>
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        <div>Hi Alec,
          <div dir="auto">Interesting discussion there. For the Aos, i
            believe identity starts from the village. So, in the past,
            if you ask what language an Ao speaks, most probably you
            would get the village name. But after standardisation, it
            has become Ao for most speakers. I think this is true for
            the other tribes as well. Hence, the word Naga has  no role
            in the linguistic identity. In recent times, we have started
            using Aoo (Ao language) to refer to the language. A similar
            case with Poumai, using Poula (language of the Poumais). </div>
          <div dir="auto">But as you have mentioned, the word Naga has a
            very strong political and culture  related attachment to the
            people. </div>
          <div dir="auto">I agree with you that linguists should stop
            using the word Naga for linguistic affiliation. It mixes up
            separate fields, leading to misuse and abuse. </div>
          <div dir="auto">And perhaps Ethnologue can start this process
            by removing Naga from all the language names!</div>
          <div dir="auto">Best</div>
          <div dir="auto">Temsü</div>
        </div>
        <div> </div>
        <div>While I appreciate the points made in previous posts
          concerning the potential social ramifications of using
          particular labels, as linguists we need to distinguish clearly
          between using labels for social or political identities, and
          using labels for linguistic affiliations. They do not
          necessarily coincide, so why contribute to the confusion by
          continuing to pretend that they do in our classifications?
          This logically applies to our choice of labels not only at the
          individual language level, but also at the group level. </div>
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        <div>Alec</div>
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            style="font-weight: bold;">From: </span>Tibeto-burman-linguistics
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>
          on behalf of Judy Pine <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:Judy.Pine@wwu.edu">Judy.Pine@wwu.edu</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span>Wednesday, 25
          January 2017 at 8:55 PM<br>
          <span style="font-weight: bold;">To: </span>Randy LaPolla
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:randy.lapolla@gmail.com">randy.lapolla@gmail.com</a>>,
          Nathan & Carey Statezni <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:nathan_statezni@sil.org">nathan_statezni@sil.org</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc: </span>"<a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>"
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>>,
          Michael Ahland <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:michael_ahland@sil.org">michael_ahland@sil.org</a>>,
          Chuck Fennig <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:editor_ethnologue@sil.org">editor_ethnologue@sil.org</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span>Re:
          [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Changes to Myanmar Naga group
          names in Ethnologue</div>
        <div> </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                  font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">It is also useful
                  to note that Karen is an ethnonym given the groups who
                  find themselves under it by Tai speaking dominant
                  groups. Although many have since adopted it for the
                  purpose of political organization, it is not their
                  name for themselves traditionally, nor is it the name
                  they give to the various languages/dialects that fall
                  under that umbrella (I speak here having just left a
                  Pa keun yaw (pardon my on-the-fly Romanization)
                  village that the Thai would call Karieng and we would
                  call Karen.)<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                  'Calibri',sans-serif;">Judy Pine<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:
                        11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span
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                      'Calibri',sans-serif;"> Tibeto-burman-linguistics
                      [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]
                      <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randy J. LaPolla<br>
                      <strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, January 24, 2017
                      7:24 AM<br>
                      <strong>To:</strong> Nathan & Carey Statezni
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:nathan_statezni@sil.org">nathan_statezni@sil.org</a>><br>
                      <strong>Cc:</strong> The Tibeto-Burman Discussion
                      List Discussion List <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org">tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>;
                      Michael Ahland <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:michael_ahland@sil.org">michael_ahland@sil.org</a>>;
                      Chuck Fennig <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:editor_ethnologue@sil.org">editor_ethnologue@sil.org</a>><br>
                      <strong>Subject:</strong> Re:
                      [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Changes to Myanmar
                      Naga group names in Ethnologue<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nathan,<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">It might differ with different
                  groups. For example, using the ethnic term Kachin to
                  refer to the language Jinghpaw, as was done in the
                  past, is problematic because there are people who are
                  classified as Kachin but whose native language is not
                  Jinghpaw. In China speakers of many different
                  languages were lumped together under a single name
                  (e.g. "Zang", usually translated as "Tibetan", but not
                  what the Tibetans call themselves, and includes people
                  who don't speak Tibetan, such as the majority of Qiang
                  speakers; see Poa, Dory & LaPolla, Randy J. 2007.
                  Minority languages of China. In Osahito Miyaoka and
                  Michael E. Krauss (eds.), <em>The Vanishing Languages
                    of the Pacific</em>, 337-354. Oxford: Oxford
                  University Press.<span>  </span><span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://randylapolla.net/papers/Poa_and_LaPolla_2007_Minority_Languages_of_China.pdf">http://randylapolla.net/papers/Poa_and_LaPolla_2007_Minority_Languages_of_China.pdf</a></span>),
                  so it is important to distinguish the ethnic name from
                  the language name in some cases.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">All the best,<!-- o ignored --></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Randy<!-- o ignored --></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">PS: interestingly, some of the
                  Qiang speaking Zang are now trying to have their own
                  name for their language and people recognised as the
                  name of the language in Chinese, because they aren't
                  comfortable calling it Qiang (as they are not
                  classified as Qiang any more), yet can't call it
                  Tibetan.<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Jan 2017, at 9:51 AM,
                        Nathan & Carey Statezni <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nathan_statezni@sil.org">nathan_statezni@sil.org</a>>
                        wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                      <div>
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                          initial;">Hi Alec and all,<span
                            style="font-size: 9.5pt;"><!-- o ignored --></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:
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                          initial;">I appreciate very much your work on
                          these languages, Alec, and your effort to keep
                          Ethnologue updated on the status of
                          classification.<span style="font-size: 9.5pt;"><!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-size:
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                          initial;">It would be fine with me to drop the
                          label "Naga" from linguistic classifications;
                          it's quite confusing. I'm particularly
                          concerned about the language group perspective
                          for changes made, but it's typically not a big
                          deal for language family and branch, etc.
                          names to change, as long as the new name
                          doesn't seem to favor one group. <span
                            style="font-size: 9.5pt;"><!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                          initial;">However, language names are another
                          matter. Language names are not linguistic -
                          they're social. Ethnologue's use of Chin and
                          Naga in language names is not a classification
                          tool but a reflection of the group's own
                          socio-ethnic grouping. It's part of their
                          language's name and identity.<span
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                          initial;">If it were decided to remove Naga
                          from all the names, that would not thus mean
                          that the groups don't refer to themselves as
                          Naga. We would at least need a comment that
                          this language group identifies itself as part
                          of a socio-ethnic group called the Naga.
                          Should Chin then be removed from all names as
                          well? What about Karen? Where do we stop? What
                          is our criterion for including or not
                          including it? Ethnologue doesn't typically
                          include branch names in the language names.
                          However, it does include socio-ethnic group
                          names where those are salient, as is the case
                          for these 3 groupings. <span style="font-size:
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                          background-origin: initial; background-clip:
                          initial;">I think we would also need to hear
                          more from these communities. In the
                          pre-internet days, very few community members
                          had access to the Ethnologue. Now, communities
                          regularly access it and even use it in usually
                          good ways to get recognition and promote their
                          people. On the Myanmar side at least, Naga,
                          Chin, and Karen identity is salient. People
                          I've talked to want to have Naga/Chin/Karen in
                          their name, even for groups like Chin,
                          Anu-Hkongso, which isn't a Kuki-Chin language.<span
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                            style="color: #500050;">It would also be
                            helpful to hear from Michael or others about
                            how similar issues have been handled in the
                            Ethnologue for other parts of the world.</span><span
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                            background-clip: initial;">My wife is due to
                            have a baby any day now, so if I'm not able
                            to respond for awhile, that's why! :)<span
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 20,
                                    2017 at 5:45 PM, Alexander Coupe
                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:ARCoupe@ntu.edu.sg">ARCoupe@ntu.edu.sg</a>>
                                    wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:
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                                                Nathan and colleagues,<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:
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                                                believe it is time to
                                                drop the label "Naga"
                                                from any linguistic
                                                classification, because
                                                is will continue to
                                                mislead non-specialists
                                                into assuming that these
                                                "Naga" languages of
                                                Myanmar and the
                                                so-called "Naga"
                                                languages of northern,
                                                central and southern
                                                Nagaland and adjacent
                                                regions of Assam,
                                                Arunachal Pradesh and
                                                Manipur somehow form a
                                                robustly attested branch
                                                of Sino-Tibetan. The
                                                term "Naga" has become
                                                an important political
                                                tool for helping to
                                                establish an
                                                ethno-nationalistic
                                                identity for disparate
                                                and marginalized
                                                minorities in the
                                                northeastern border
                                                region, but it lacks
                                                credibility as a
                                                linguistic label. This
                                                is because we currently
                                                know that it includes at
                                                least 2 and possibly
                                                even 3 or 4 more
                                                separate branches –
                                                subgrouping is still a
                                                work in progress, and we
                                                just don't have enough
                                                reliable descriptions at
                                                present to make any
                                                strong claims beyond
                                                Burling's (1983) Sal
                                                branch.  I have been
                                                campaigning for a
                                                revision in naming
                                                conventions for these
                                                languages in recent
                                                publications, and also
                                                consulting with
                                                Ethnologue to address
                                                the currently misleading
                                                nature of "Naga"
                                                nomenclature (e.g. see <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.ethnologue.com/language/nsa/feedback">https://www.ethnologue.com/language/nsa/feedback</a>).
                                                Ethnologue is currently
                                                 considering adopting a
                                                number of these
                                                recommendations, so
                                                following suit with
                                                similar naming
                                                conventions for the
                                                languages of Myanmar
                                                would be consistent with
                                                the revisions. <!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                style="font-size:
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                                                  style="font-size:
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                                                </span></strong><span
                                                style="font-size:
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                                                'Calibri',sans-serif;">Tibeto-burman-linguistics
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">tibeto-burman-linguistics-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>
                                                on behalf of Nathan
                                                & Carey Statezni
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nathan_statezni@sil.org">nathan_statezni@sil.org</a>><br>
                                                <strong>Date: </strong>Thursday,
                                                19 January 2017 at 6:09
                                                PM<br>
                                                <strong>To: </strong>"<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">tibeto-burman-linguistics@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>"
                                                <<a
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                                                <strong>Subject: </strong>[Tibeto-burman-linguistics]
                                                Changes to Myanmar Naga
                                                group names in
                                                Ethnologue<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Hi all,<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">I'm
                                                          proposing
                                                          changes to the
                                                          name in the
                                                          Ethnologue for
                                                          some Naga
                                                          groups in
                                                          Myanmar, to
                                                          match their
                                                          own name for
                                                          themselves and
                                                          the spelling
                                                          used in their
                                                          orthographies,
                                                          based on
                                                          discussions
                                                          with these
                                                          groups. Here
                                                          are my
                                                          proposed
                                                          changes (all
                                                          the current
                                                          names would
                                                          become
                                                          alternate
                                                          names): Any
                                                          thoughts?<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Makyan
                                                          Naga [umn]
                                                          becomes
                                                          Paungnyuan
                                                          Naga<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Kyan-Karyaw
                                                          Naga [nqq]
                                                          becomes
                                                          Chen-Kayu Naga<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Leinong
                                                          Naga [lzn]
                                                          becomes
                                                          Lainong Naga <!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">Kokak
                                                          [nxk] becomes
                                                          Kokak Naga
                                                          (for
                                                          consistency
                                                          with the other
                                                          Naga group
                                                          names)<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Calibri',sans-serif;">By the
                                                          way, all
                                                          Ethnologue
                                                          updates need
                                                          to be in by
                                                          January each
                                                          year. The new
                                                          edition comes
                                                          out on
                                                          February 21
                                                          each year,
                                                          International
                                                          Mother
                                                          Language Day.<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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