<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=gb2312"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"B. Zeisler" <<a href="mailto:zeis@uni-tuebingen.de" class="">zeis@uni-tuebingen.de</a>></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Many thanks</b></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">13 October 2020 at 11:13:08 PM SGT</span><br class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Randy J. LaPolla" <<a href="mailto:randy.lapolla@gmail.com" class="">randy.lapolla@gmail.com</a>></span><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><font color="#5856d6" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(88, 86, 214);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Dear all,<br class="">A further comment on researchgate:<br class="">I have made the experience that researchgate claims to have papers
and if you register to download the paper you get the information
that the author didn't upload it yet. Which is not very
surprising, if the author hasn't registered at all (as in my case:
when I registered, I met with a request by Nathan Hill for one of
my papers...)<br class="">I do not think this is serious or fair business.<br class="">Most of these platforms also allow uploads through other persons.
I found a Petech article on academia. And I stumbled across one of
my papers on scribbd.<br class="">Nevertheless we cannot ignore that for the time being most of the
papers in our fields are posted on academia.<br class="">Best wishes,<br class="">Bettina<br class=""><font color="#5856d6" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(88, 86, 214);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Randy J. LaPolla schrieb:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">
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---------<br class="">De : <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Alexis
Michaud</strong> <span dir="auto" class=""><<a href="mailto:alexis.michaud@cnrs.fr" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">alexis.michaud@cnrs.fr</a>></span><br class="">Date: dim. 27 sept. 2020 ¨¤ 09:24<br class="">Subject: Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Many thanks<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <<a href="mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><br class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Hi Elissa, hi all, <br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Yes, those are very handy. <a href="http://academia.edu/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Academia.edu</a> and researchgate
are commercial players, though, and they can change the
rules of the game anytime. Last week I wanted to open a
draft paper for comments on <a href="http://academia.edu/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Academia.edu</a> and
found that it was now a feature reserved for paid
accounts. There are also lots of advertisements along the
way. That is fair enough: the rule is that, if it's free,
we're the product. The Conditions of use of <a href="http://academia.edu/" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Academia.edu</a> (if we care to
read them) clarify that we hand over to them ownership of
our papers ^^<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Seen in this light, institutional archives
like Arxiv or <a href="https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">HAL-SHS</a> have
much, much greater appeal. They are free for users,
curated by professionals, and they guarantee long-term
archiving. So do consider depositing in such archives, for
stability and public service. HAL-SHS is open to
depositors from any institution in the world. A recent
example of a paper about a Tibeto-Burman language is
available <a href="https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-02945164" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a>. <br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Preprint archives have constraints of their
own (if the publisher has exclusive copyright, only a
preprint version can be deposited, not the final,
published PDF), but also some very real strengths and
advantages. Thus, deposits in HAL-SHS can have links to
relevant primary data. For instance, in the case of Dobbs
and La's paper in <i class="">Linguistics of the
Tibeto-Burman Area</i>: <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:8FAABD2E-0E3A-4C84-AAFA-F2ABAA7914B9@gmail.com" class="">
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</div></div></div></blockquote><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>That's for publications. About data, it also
seems worth putting in a word for institutional archives:
language data archives that are members of the DELAMAN
network / the Open Language Archive Community (OLAC). In
times when access to the field is even harder than usual,
the value of well-curated data, made publicly available,
is even clearer. <br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>With best wishes<br class="">Alexis<br class=""><font color="#00afcd" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 175, 205);" class=""><br class=""></span></font>Le dim. 27 sept. 2020
¨¤ 07:11, Elissa Ikeda <<a href="mailto:elissa.ikeda@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">elissa.ikeda@gmail.com</a>>
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Dear all,<br class=""><br class="">I would like to express my appreciation to
all of you who have made your work publicly available
in PDF form on services like <a href="http://academia.edu/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">academia.edu</a> and <a href="http://researchgate.net/" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">researchgate.net</a>.
In an era when we can't get our graduate students into
the country, much less into the library, your
generosity is proving invaluable.<br class=""><br class="">Thank you,<br class="">Elissa Ikeda<br class="">
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</blockquote>-- <br class="">Alexis Michaud<br class=""><a href="http://lacito.vjf.cnrs.fr/membres/michaud_en.htm" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">LACITO</a><br class="">07 84 43 20 80<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:8FAABD2E-0E3A-4C84-AAFA-F2ABAA7914B9@gmail.com" class="">
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