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Yes, sorry, I forgot about Ken’s summary of the debate.
<div>I may have other typescripts, as I was there for some of the debates, but the references you have should cover most of it. </div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
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<div>Thank you so much! The handout, the list of references and the explanation are exactly what I was looking for.
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<div class="elementToProof">You have led me to discover two recently published papers by Keightley (
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https://brill.com/view/journals/bcl/13/1/article-p3_2.xml</a> ) and Takashima<span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">’s revised article on this ( <a href="https://doi.org/10.1163/2405478X-01302010" id="LPNoLPOWALinkPreview_1">https://doi.org/10.1163/2405478X-01302010</a>
). In addition, </span>Huang commented ( <a href="https://doi.org/10.1163/2405478X-01302009" data-auth="NotApplicable" id="LPNoLPOWALinkPreview_1">https://doi.org/10.1163/2405478X-01302009</a> ) that many of those typescripts on this have not been published
and thus he had to relied on Shen’s list of references, yet they still did not get to read some of them.</div>
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<div>If I would like to look at those typescripts further, will I again have to ask for the group<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">’s</span> help if they are still not published or made available elsewhere so far?
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<b>寄件日期:</b> 2022年4月21日 下午 09:06<br>
<b>收件者:</b> Randy John LaPolla <RandyLaPolla@ntu.edu.sg>; K JF <jfk2022jfk@outlook.com><br>
<b>副本:</b> tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org <tibeto-burman-linguistics@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>主旨:</b> Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Nivison (1992) On modal qi. 25th ICSTLL</font>
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Takashima should be included in that debate. See attached with a nice list of references at the end.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 21, 2022 5:20 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Nivison (1992) On modal qi. 25th ICSTLL</font>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Shumin,
<div>Welcome to the group. You can download the handout from the talk:</div>
<div><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/uxh711yxyarktm8/Nivison%201992%20On%20modal%20qi.pdf?dl=0" data-auth="NotApplicable" id="OWAa27fa703-a2c9-812b-2637-00a76128f229" class="OWAAutoLink">https://www.dropbox.com/s/uxh711yxyarktm8/Nivison%201992%20On%20modal%20qi.pdf?dl=0</a></div>
<div>At that time there was a long-running debate mainly between Nivison and David Keightley about the nature of 其 in the OBI inscriptions. This talk was part of it. </div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
<div>Randy</div>
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Dear members of the Tibeto-burman-linguistics mailing list,</div>
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I would like to know if any of you has this article:-</div>
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Nivison, D. S. 1992. On “modal” qi. Paper for the 25th International Conference on Sino-Tibetan Languages and Linguistics, Berkeley, October 15, 1992.<br>
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That is the citation given in Sagart (1999) The Roots of Old Chinese. But the same paper appears as
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">“</span>Modal qi in Shang and early Zhou Chinese<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">”</span> in the bibliography of the ICSTLL available online.</div>
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I could not find any publication information of those earlier ICSTLL except for a few on WorldCat. Nor could I find the above paper published later elsewhere e.g. in another journal. </div>
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I am an amateur who is interested in linguistics, so I could not contact anyone in the field to ask for access of the article. Your help is appreciated! </div>
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