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Marianne Bakró-Nagy bakro at nytud.hu
Mon Oct 29 15:10:43 UTC 2012


Dear Florian and all,

thanks for this initiative, much appreciated.

Marianne





On 29 October 2012 15:42, Michael Rießler <
michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> thank you Flo and Riho! I find this a very useful initiative.
>
> A few notes on East-Saamic:
> * Akkala is certainly not extinct, one speaker was recently recorded, see
> http://corpus1.mpi.nl/ds/imdi_browser?openpath=MPI1564782%23.
> * The most reliable estimation of Kildin speakers presents Scheller 2011
> (or elsewhere): "The Saami language situation in Russia" in: Uralica
> Helsingiensia 5. Scheller distinguishes between about 100 active and 700
> passive speakers. Your figure of 350 speakers is in between these two and
> seems reasonable to me.
> * Skolt does in fact also have speakers in Norway. I personally know two
> speakers who live in Neiden. They are both fluent and active speakers, at
> least one of them is among the leading revitalizers having published books
> in Skolt Saami and teaching it at the school in Sevettijärvi/Finland (30km
> from Neiden). I have heard about a third speaker living in Kirkenes.
> Although they have only moved to Norway from the Finish side, they have
> lived in Norway permanently for several (if not many) years (both with
> Norwegian partners) and they continue using Skolt Saami between each other
> or with other visiting Skolt Saami. One of them is even a Norwegian
> citizen. Being permanent inhabitants of Norway, living on traditional Skolt
> Saami territories (in an area which was always characterized by
> cross-border communication) and obviously being quite active speakers, it
> seems anachronistic to exclude them from being counted as Skolt Saami of
> Norway.
>
> Best,
> Michael Rießler
>
> -
>
> Dr. Michael Rießler
> Skandinavisches Seminar, Universität Freiburg
> www.skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de/institut/mitarbeiter/riessler
> michael.riessler at skandinavistik.uni-freiburg.de
>
>
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> On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Florian Siegl wrote:
>
>  Over the last month, the Department of Finno-Ugric studies in Helsinki
> has collected and re-evaluated existing statistical data concerning
> estimated numbers of speakers (!) of individual Uralic languages. As this
> data is biased, we have decided to make our estimations available on
> Ura-List in order to gather feedback and suggestions. The overall intention
> is NOT to present an exact number of speakers (see also principles in the
> attached file) which would result in a sanctioned list, but to arrive at a
> reasonably realistic estimation which can be used e. g. in teaching,
> research or PR work. Although this should not need any further explanation,
> we wish to exemplify this with two instances which demonstrate the urgency
> of such an endeavor; the number of Lule Saami speakers has been estimated
> as roughly 1500-2000, and this number has been around for a longer period.
> Recent estimations from within the Lule Saami community operate with
> roughly 700 speakers only – the resulting discrepancy is 50%. A similar
> case is to be expected for Forest Nenets. The number of speakers has been
> reported exceeding 1000 for quite a while now, but may actually not exceed
> 700 when taking general demographic trends into consideration. ****
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> Further, several languages were once a while reported as extinct (e. g.
> Livonian, Ume Saami and Pite Saami) though for all languages L1 speakers
> could still be found. Possibly Akkala Saami could also be added to this
> list.****
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> As Ura-List, unfortunately, does not stimulate much online discussion, we
> encourage subscribers to comment this particular matter online. Of course,
> we also welcome offline comments. These should be sent to
> florian.siegl at helsinki.fi. Please state on which kind of evidence your
> assumptions rest and if possible provide links to further online resources,
> own work etc. Please also state if we are allowed to quote your
> data/assumption publicly as p. c. if this would become necessary.****
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> A summary will be posted on Ura-List. A more “official” mode of
> representation is currently also thought of perhaps resulting in an updated
> version of the 1992 map *Geographical Distribution of the Uralic Languages
> * (then compiled by Grünthal & Salminen). A suitable online forum is also
> currently debated on. ****
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> Last, but not least, please forward this message to colleagues and
> language activists who are not subscribers of Ura-List.
>
>
> Florian Siegl
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> Department of Finnish, Finno-Ugrian and Scandinavian Studies, ****
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> FIN-00014 **University of Helsinki**
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