<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><html> <HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <STYLE></STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.13" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #ffffff; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: arial"> <P>Greetings to all!</P> <P><BR>This letter has more reasons:</P> <P>prewords:<BR>I happened to see and read the article 'Finno-Ugric and Turkic?' of <BR>Univ.Prof. Dr. Johanna Laakso, which is available here:<BR><A href="http://homepage.univie.ac.at/Johanna.Laakso/fu_tu.html">http://homepage.univie.ac.at/Johanna.Laakso/fu_tu.html</A>.</P> <P>First, I would like to respond to it with some thoughts, because it seems <BR>to me that there are some heavy misconceptions out there on this topic <BR>(not just in this article, but also in the older ones of others, <BR>so it is not a critic of the personal field, but rather that of the concept).</P> <P>Laakso writes (rather she qoutes mindsets) e.g.:<BR>"We don't want to be related with primitive nomadic Siberian tribes, <BR>we want to be related with peoples who have earned themselves fame <BR>and glory, or at least have a war-like past."<BR>and she mentions the:<BR>“The Finno-Ugric relatedness is just an ideological (for example, <BR>Imperialist-Bolshevist) conspiracy against Hungarians.”</P> <P>etc.</P> <P>I think the situation can be explained this way:</P> <P>The main matter here is that the Hungarians had never "wanted to be in <BR>connection" with the Turkic peoples. Not this was the background of <BR>their negative view on the Finno-Ugrian relatedness (here it is regardless <BR>from that which side is right).<BR>But the very fact that some people had used this, then new theory, <BR>as a contradicting thing to their thousand year old tradition, <BR>that they are the descendant of the Huns, the so called Hunnic tradition.</P> <DIV>As if it were such,<BR>but in fact the Uralic theory never was an evidence to disprove it, despite <BR>that some had tried to push this viewpoint.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another problem was with that new theory that it pushed away all of the historical sources,</DIV> <DIV>which approach was (and is) unsientific already in itself.</DIV> <P>On the contrary I could never imagine how could the Uralic/Ugrian/Hungarian <BR>lingustics remained so ignored so long in the past in the Huns related <BR>research, despite the owerwhelming historical evidences (sources, arch., <BR>etc).</P> <P>It seems that this whole topic may had been in the past under some academic <BR>type suppression of dissent (along with the topic under the second point <BR>(2. below)), or maybe just in a web of complex misunderstandings.</P> <P>I hope I could explain a little bit the motivations. </P> <P>1.<BR>In my previous letter I posted the study that proved <BR>the Hsiungnu-Hun-Hungarian continuation, based on linguistics, <BR>and revealed some hints on their ultimate origin.</P> <P>I corrected and updated the essay, with some more lingustic explanations, <BR>and provided new evidences, more linguistic and historical background <BR>literature, mentioned new subthemes, e.g. the Iyrkas, etc.</P> <P>The new variant can be downloaded here,<BR>Huns and Ugors, variant 4, preAlpha, 44 pages:</P> <P>Huns-Ugors-v4.pdf<BR><A href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E9GB0LSE">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E9GB0LSE</A><BR>mirror:<BR><A href="http://uploaded.to/file/jrsjnw">http://uploaded.to/file/jrsjnw</A></P> <P>but as I don't want to bother the community of this list with this theme,<BR>I've made an internet page where the works can be seen by anyone who is <BR>interested.</P> <P>(The study is under a process of some kind of peer-reviewing right now <BR>(I've already got some very positive feedback), so this may can be <BR>considered as an online pre-publication for open reading and review.)</P> <P>The web address of the page:<BR><A href="http://chronica.freebase.hu/huns/huns-ugors.html">http://chronica.freebase.hu/huns/huns-ugors.html</A></P> <P>2.<BR>Those who readed it could see that it has provided some historical and <BR>linguistic backround to the important researches which are conducted <BR>by Simo Parpola, professor of Assyriology, in collaboration with the <BR>Department of General Linguistics of the University of Helsinki <BR>(supported by the Academy of Finnland).</P> <P>As I realized that this topic is rather unknown even in the <BR>university circles in Hungary I decided to translate Parpola's article <BR>to Hungarian, to those who are interested, it is available also on <BR>the mentioned page, here:</P> <P>Sumerian: A Uralic language<BR>Suméri: egy uráli nyelv<BR><A href="http://chronica.freebase.hu/sumer/sumeruraliclang_hu.html">http://chronica.freebase.hu/sumer/sumeruraliclang_hu.html</A></P> <P>I've also made some notes to it:<BR>on the Sumerian word gid = Ur. *veta ? issue:</P> <P>Uralic *veta is Hungarian vez- (to lead), thus the Sumerian gid <BR>in this form is rather connected with Hungarian húz (t>z) to drag, <BR>to pull (< Ugric ~ *kat to pull, to pluck, this is related to Hungarian <BR>'hoz' - to bring from Finn-Ugric e.g.: Saami: guod, kuode, kinte, etc. <BR>(so can be also like approx.: gid) from Uralic *kanta - to drag, to bring, <BR>to carry, etc. and like, for example the similar Sumerian words such as <BR>the gid word's other meaning: gid = long, which is Hungarian hosz = long <BR>(written as hossz(ú), from Uralic *konc or *kocu) (the Sumerian sign for <BR>gid also can have forms of such as guz2 gida2 gidi3 git2 kid10 kit10, gi27, <BR>qid2, qit2, etc.), <BR>and the Sum./ Hung. word: gud / hős = hero from ? Ur *kaca.</P> <P>3.<BR>I've also written another article, in which I collected the genetic <BR>reseraches which were made so far in the topic of the Hsiungnus.</P> <P>As it is connected to the general Uralic genetics topic rather well <BR>(e.g. to Hungarians, Mansis, general Finn-Ugors, Selkups), <BR>and by the way its datas fully corroborate the results of linguistics, <BR>and as it contains important material, to those who are not acquainted <BR>with this informations I've made it also available online, here:</P> <P><A href="http://chronica.freebase.hu/huns/xionggen.htm">http://chronica.freebase.hu/huns/xionggen.htm</A></P> <P>Interestingly the debate issue of the Finno-Ugrian Urheimat's question is <BR>also appearing in the field of the genetics, as there are two possible <BR>explanations on their genetical origins' territory.</P> <P><BR>Best regards,<BR>Balazs.</P></BODY></html>