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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Of course, <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>historical linguistics will help. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Prof. Suniti Kumar Chatterji in “Kirata Jana Kriti: The Indo Mongoloids, Their Contribution to The History and Culture of India” [1951] has written that<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>in around 2000 AD the Kunindashs, the mountain people of<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>East Punjab spoke TB languages and contributed to develop Sanskrit language. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let me compare few Sanskrit words with some other Himalayan languages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Water is ‘di’ in central Magar language, ‘ti’ in Shauka or Byangsi and ‘ri’ in Kham Magar language. These ‘di’,<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>‘ti’ and ‘ri’ are phonetically similar. The central Magar ‘di’ is<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>prefixed into Sanskrit ‘na+di’ > river.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>According to M. S. Thapa Magar ‘nar or ngr’ means<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>‘spring’ in Magar Language. Hence ‘nar+di’ > na+di > river. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The river names:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Bhagi+ra+thi, Goma+ti in </SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place><st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Uttar Pradesh</SPAN></st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, </SPAN><st1:country-region><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">India</SPAN></st1:country-region></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">; Bagma+ti, Ikshuma+ti<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Indrawa+ti in </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kathmandu</SPAN></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Rawa+ti>Rap+ti, </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In Kham Magar language ‘kur’ means ‘spring’. There are some rivers ‘Bhing+ri’, Khung+ri’ in Kham Magar language speaking area. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Andrew Shimunek <shenanzhu@YAHOO.COM></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Some people also like to throw in the Mogollon people<BR>of the southwestern US; but anyone who knows the basic<BR>underlyings of historical linguistics knows this<BR>proposal is ill-advised, as the connection would have<BR>to be 20,000 years or more back in time, and<BR>reconstruction methods are only valid back 5,000 years<BR>or so, or at most, 10,000 years (and this is _really_<BR>stretching it).<BR><BR>Andrew Shimunek<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around<BR>http://mail.yahoo.com<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>B. K. Rana <br>Winter Hill, Massachusetts <br>United States of America<br>Tel: 617 233 0158<br>http://www.geocities.com/bk_rana<p>__________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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