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<DIV>Subject -- Cancel hrasva-dirgha for (i, u)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Very kind of Mr Uttam Gajjar for message below. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I draw attention to article E15 in <A href="http://www.mngogate.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT color=#003399>www.mngogate.com</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV>called Sister Languages, where (hrasva dirgha point)</DIV> <DIV>is mentioned. Please note that in Shivaji-Peshva regimes,</DIV> <DIV>(also in some states outside Maharashtra where Marathi</DIV> <DIV>sansthaniks ruled, such as Baroda, Indore, Gwalior)</DIV> <DIV>official Marathi records were in Modi script which had</DIV> <DIV>not taken hrasva-dirgha duality for (i, u). So the concept</DIV> <DIV>is not new to Marathi minds. Poets may object regarding</DIV> <DIV>(laghu, guru) for vrutta-poems. But note many singers may </DIV> <DIV>prolong hrasva vowel and sqeeze dirgha vowel to suit tunes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Note that Southern Indian languages need hrasva-dirgha, </DIV> <DIV>like English does (kin-keen, pull-pool, get-gate, hole-whole),</DIV> <DIV>not only for (i, u) but also for (e, o). Northern languages</DIV> <DIV>like Hindi, Bengali, Punjabi, Oriya might be able to</DIV> <DIV>drop that duality. Meanings may change just for few</DIV> <DIV>words, but can be inferred from context.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-- Madhukar N Gogate<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Uttam Gajjar <uttamgajjar@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">From: "Uttam Gajjar" <uttamgajjar@hotmail.com><BR>To: "Madhukar N. Gogate" <mngogate1932@yahoo.com><BR>CC: "Ratilal Chandaria" <rpchandaria@comcraft.com>,<BR>"Dayashankar Joshi" <joshidm@gmail.com>,<BR>"BVPATEL\(Icenet\)" <balvantpatel@icenet.net>,<BR>"Kiran Trivedi" <info@manavmedia.com>,<BR>"Kiran Trivedi"
<kirantrivedi@manavmedia.com>,<BR>"manishi jani" <manishijani@hotmail.com>,<BR>"jugalkishor vyas" <j_jugalkishor@yahoo.co.in>,<BR>"Ramjibhai & Sarojbahen Patel" <ramsarojpatel@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Fw: Gujarati leaps forward<BR>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:50:45 -0500<BR><BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Dear Madhukarbhai,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I am so happy that the message of one <STRONG><FONT color=#800000>'i-u'</FONT></STRONG> reaches in Marathi</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>-Our Sister Language-through your able hands..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I feel proud of you..My trouble is: I don't know much English...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Verdana>I have two friends in my mind :</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>You know both of them...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>One is Dr. Dayashankar Joshi–pioneer of this crusade– who is in England now...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Second is Balvant Patel–Gandhinagar..</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They will provide you about all the reasons <STRONG><FONT color=#800000>'Why one 'i-u'?</FONT></STRONG> and other <FONT color=#800000><STRONG>information</STRONG></FONT> you need..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I attach one Doc. prepared by Balvantbhai..It is in Gujarati..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--Uttam and Madhu--</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>--Surat--</DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mngogate1932@yahoo.com href="mailto:mngogate1932@yahoo.com">Madhukar N. Gogate</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=uttamgajjar@gmail.com href="mailto:uttamgajjar@gmail.com">uttamgajjar@gmail.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 09, 2007 11:26 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Gujarati leaps forward</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>Dear Uttambhai</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>I emailed "Gujarati leaps forward" (<FONT color=#ff0000>lexicon</FONT>) message </FONT><FONT color=#800000 size=4>to about 20000 persons among various Marathi </FONT><FONT color=#800000 size=4>yahoogroups, plus to some direct persons on my list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>While I was in America (June-Aug 2006) yourself, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>Balvantbhai and may be Mr
Chandaria gave me</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>information of progress of cancelling (<FONT color=#ff0000>hrasva dirgha </FONT></FONT><FONT color=#800000 size=4><FONT color=#ff0000>duality</FONT>) movement in Gujarati, but I lost that record.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>Please send me information again, duly updated,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>whether various newspapers, publishers, authors,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>sahitya parishads, govt etc have accepted the change, </FONT><FONT color=#800000 size=4>and to what extent. Is a transition period allowed for </FONT><FONT color=#800000 size=4>current rules and revised rules.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>As you are aware, I support it for Marathi, as</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>may be seen in (M12) article
(</FONT><A href="http://www.mngogate.com/"><FONT size=4>www.mngogate.com</FONT></A><FONT color=#800000 size=4>)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>You may widely circulate this message, and I shall</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>appreciate feedbacks from anyone regarding</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>cancellation of hrasva-dirgha duality in Gujarati.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>I enclose <FONT color=#000080>(mngpune.pdf )</FONT> 4 page 100 kb</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>Marathi attachment, so that persons reading this</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>(to whom you may circulate) would know about</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>my work-- 3 pages on vigyan prasaar, and its last </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>page is about optional roman lipi for
Marathi.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 size=4>-- Madhukar N Gogate (Pune)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A href="mailto:mngogate1932@yahoo.com"><FONT size=4>mngogate1932@yahoo.com</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#008000 size=4>( Note I understand 50% & can read Gujarati, but lost </FONT><FONT color=#008000 size=4>contact after I shifted to Pune from Mumbai 1997)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#008000 size=4></FONT> <HR SIZE=1> </HR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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