VYAKARAN: South Asian Languages and Linguistics Net
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is a CBS news item: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/11/world/main648623.shtmlp:/">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/11/world/main648623.shtmlp://</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gyanam<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gyanam Mahajan, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Program Coordinator, SSEALC<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ALC Department, UCLA<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> South Asian Linguists [mailto:VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mahajan, Gyanam<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Question about city names that are being renamed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>VYAKARAN: South Asian Languages and Linguistics Net Editors: Tej K. Bhatia, Syracuse University, New York John Peterson, University of Osnabrueck, Germany Details: Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: INFO VYAKARAN Subscribe:Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: SUBSCRIBE VYAKARAN FIRST_NAME LAST_NAME (Substitute your real name for first_name last_name) Archives: <a href="http://listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">http://listserv.syr.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greetings from UCLA. There is a UC Berkeley paper that might be of interest and it also provides several references </span><a href="http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~easwaran/papers/india.html">http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~easwaran/papers/india.html</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I remember another article which pointed out that the Bombay Stock Exchange or Bombay High Court or Madras University etc. have retained their name. I will try and find the link to that article and pass it on.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gyanam<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gyanam Mahajan, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Program Coordinator, SSEALC<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ALC Department, UCLA<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> South Asian Linguists [mailto:VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thrasher, Allen<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Question about city names that are being renamed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>VYAKARAN: South Asian Languages and Linguistics Net Editors: Tej K. Bhatia, Syracuse University, New York John Peterson, University of Osnabrueck, Germany Details: Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: INFO VYAKARAN Subscribe:Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: SUBSCRIBE VYAKARAN FIRST_NAME LAST_NAME (Substitute your real name for first_name last_name) Archives: <a href="http://listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">http://listserv.syr.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hal,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do you mean you didn't hear Madras referred to as Chennai by local people when speaking English, or when speaking Tamil as well?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter Hook remarked to me back in 69-70 when the push was starting to rename Poona Pune (or rather, in the unreformed Marathi spelling of the day, PuneM), that the same people who insisted on Pune(M) in fact said Poona/PunA, in both Marathi and English.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allen W. Thrasher, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior Reference Librarian and Team Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>South Asia Team<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Asian Division<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Library of Congress<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Washington, DC 20540-4810<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>tel. 202-707-3732<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>fax 202-707-1724<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> South Asian Linguists [mailto:VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Schiffman<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> VYAKARAN@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Question about city names that are being renamed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>VYAKARAN: South Asian Languages and Linguistics Net Editors: Tej K. Bhatia, Syracuse University, New York John Peterson, University of Osnabrueck, Germany Details: Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: INFO VYAKARAN Subscribe:Send email to <a href="mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu">listserv@listserv.syr.edu</a> and say: SUBSCRIBE VYAKARAN FIRST_NAME LAST_NAME (Substitute your real name for first_name last_name) Archives: <a href="http://listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">http://listserv.syr.edu</a> Hi, all:<br><br>I've been asked by a colleague in another (non-South Asian) area of the world<br>what is the history of colonial city naming in India, and whether it is possible to<br>reconstruct what the "original" names for Bombay/Mumbai, Madras/Chennai, and<br>Calcutta/Kolkata. <br><br>Two questions in particular I have is whether (1) Bombay was ever called Mumbai by<br>speakers of other languages of India, other than Marathi, and (2) when exactly did the<br>call for renaming Bombay as Mumbai began? I'd be interested to know how recently<br>this phenomenon is. <br><br>I know that in the case of Madras/Chennai, I never heard of "Chennai" when I first went<br>to Tamilnadu (then called Madras State) in 1965 and only later was there a push to rename the<br>city.<br><br>I keep in mind an incident from when I was involved in SEASSI and went to Hanoi to<br>recruit teachers of Vietnamese. We noticed that when speaking Vietnamese, people<br>referred to Saigon as Saigon, but when speaking English, they called it Ho Chi Minh City.<br>So I'm wondering whether this practice is all current in referring to Indian city names.<br><br>Hal Schiffman<br clear=all><br>-- <br>=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+<br><br> Harold F. Schiffman<br><br>Professor Emeritus of <br> Dravidian Linguistics and Culture <br>Dept. of South Asia Studies <br>University of Pennsylvania<br>Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305<br><br>Phone: (215) 898-7475<br>Fax: (215) 573-2138 <br><br>Email: <a href="mailto:haroldfs@gmail.com">haroldfs@gmail.com</a><br><a href="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/">http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/</a> <br><br>-------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>