At 08:18 AM 2/28/2001 -0800, James D. SMITH wrote: >Consider inoffensive, eponymous Thomas Crapper. > This is an old Johnny Carson joke or something like that, not the actual etymology of "crap." See for example the etymological note for "crap" in HDAS. Greg Downing, at greg.downing at nyu.edu or gd2 at nyu.edu