juengling_fritz at SMTPGATE.SALKEIZ.K12.OR.US
Fri Nov 2 15:39:25 UTC 2001
I don't follow--what does cot/caught merger have to do with it? They aren't even all the same vowels. I have this merger, but say 'Hal oween.'
No, I was not suggesting any connection with the names of the two states--just an observation. I will add, though, the pronunciation of two towns in Colorado. My aunt and uncle live in Pueblo, which they pronounce as 'pee-eb-lo.' My mom and gramma are from 'Conejos,' pronounced 'cun-ess.'
>>> Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU> 11/01/01 05:54PM >>>
This makes some sense, if you're a cot/caught merger; thus, 'hall' is
extended to 'hallow,' again with no understanding, presumably, of the
meaning of the word. I'm sure there's no connection with the Spanishizing
of the two states' names, which, someone wrote here a few years ago, seems
to be an Eastern thing, right? (Outsiders, as usual, get it wrong.)
At 03:33 PM 11/1/01 -0800, you wrote:
>I think it may be an analogy with 'hall' --and one of my students whom I
>just quizzed gave that explanantion. Of course, the word comes from "All
>Hallow E'en." I don't think 'hallow' is pronounced as 'hollow.' The
>American Heritage Dictionary gives only your pronunciation.
>I have also noticed in the news the pronunciations NevAHda and
>ColorAHdo. I never heard these pronunciations growing up and my mother,
>aunts, and grandmother always said (and insisted upon) Colorado, rhyming
>with 'bad'. One of my students who is from Colorado insists on rhyming
>with 'bad' and adds that 'everyone says that in Colorado.'
> >>> <pskuhlman at JUNO.COM> 11/01/01 09:24AM >>>
>When did everyone start calling it Holloween? I pronounce the a as a
>short a. I grew up in Illinois in the fifties and sixties and it always
>strikes my ear wrong to hear Holloween.
>pskuhlman at juno.com
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