flanigan at OHIOU.EDU
Tue Dec 31 18:26:46 UTC 2002
Oops--I missed the stress shift. See you at ADS!
At 06:31 PM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>At 5:35 PM -0500 12/30/02, Beverly Flanigan wrote:
>>Maybe I missed something: Were the NPR people really talking rhymes or
>>games, or was the name used seriously??
>No, the idea of the limerick was from Peter Richardson and me
>(independently, although he was the one who actually tried one out--I
>had trouble coming up with a third rhyme); evidently the
>"an-DROC-uh-leez" pronunciation was seriously uttered on NPR. My
>response here to you was that the schwa insertion may be
>phonologically motivated but the stress shift indicates unfamiliarity
>with the name.
>>At 02:43 PM 12/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Schwa insertion is very normal and generally unnoticed by speakers. Some
>>>>may monitor themselves and "correct" the pronunciation in certain
>>>>circumstances, but pronunciation is usually so deeply ingrained it's not a
>>>>big deal to the speaker--if a hearer raises eyebrows (as Mark did) or
>>>>repeats the word, maybe the user would change it, but probably not. That's
>>>>why I was wondering who used the form, and whether there was a pause or
>>>>other reaction on the part of the hearer.
>>>>It's most definitely not "substandard" or "illiterate"; it represents a
>>>>normal phonological process, much like its opposite, elision, as in
>>>>"s'pose" or "gonna."
>>>Well, yes to all the above, BUT there's something more going on if
>>>"Androcles" is pronounced so as to rhyme (as we've been saying) with
>>>"broccolis". There's also stress shift, suggesting that (unlike
>>>schwa insertion in clusters like those in "fil[uh]m" or
>>>"jewel[uh]ry", for example) this is in fact the result of someone
>>>reading a word/name they've never actually heard pronounced rather
>>>than a phonological process per se.
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