Etymology: "They" (short) revised
carljweber
carljweber at MSN.COM
Thu Jan 10 19:09:43 UTC 2002
Etymology: "They" (short) revised
Carl Jeffrey Weber
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Fritz,
I said:
The theory here presented, "they" as native and a duplet with "the", also
offers to explain the SINGLE NUMBER morphology of "they".
Fritz Juengling said,
Interesting idea. I do not believe I have come across this before. Have
you been able to find <thorn+e> used as 'they' (i.e.nom, pl, sentence
subject--that last one is crucial!)?
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If I'm not mistaken, the following shows the "incipient plural they", again,
from about 1200:
...Noe & Sem
Japhet & Cham
& heore four wives
[thorn+e] mid heom weren on archen.
...Noah & Shem
Japheth & Ham (,)
& their four wives (;)
they [that, who] were with them on (the) ark.
A curious thing is how quickly /they/ was adopted into writing -- although
far from being universally so. The OE feminine/plural could no longer be
invariable used when the preterit plural fell from use. (Many forms of
h-stems for the plural, differentiated from the feminine singular within the
same written dialect, were also used.)
I imagine there was, as an aside at a national convocation of the Church
hierarchy, the "correct" written plural proposed.
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Fritz Juengling said,
You will also need to explain the modern pronunciation with the diphthong
[ei]. I do not think [thorn+e] if stressed and it were a long vowel, would
have
rendered the diphthong; we would have [thorn+i:] (that's really voiced, but
I
cannot produce the voiced symbol).
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As I understand it, modern "they" retains the OE pronunciation of [thorn+e].
Perhaps shedding some light on this, the second person "thee" shows before
1400 the spelling [thorn+e] also -- BEFORE the rising diphthong went to [i].
The
spelling "-ee" shows the orthographic accommodation to the new
pronunciation. The emphatic modern article "the" /thi/ shows the same
pronunciation, the raised diphthong. How this makes sense to me is explained
by one of the characteristics of English -- its drift, in some cases, from
the phonetic principle; variant spellings produce the same phonological
shape -- I, eye, aye. What makes sense to me is that "they" (th-y) and its
spelling variations represent a written form to distinguish it from the many
other uses of [thorn+e]. I've also considered, in passing, that the overload
on
[thorn+e] influenced the adoption of "you" instead of the "th-" forms.
Carl
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