Yankee
FRITZ JUENGLING
juengling_fritz at SMTPGATE.SALKEIZ.K12.OR.US
Fri Jan 18 23:57:52 UTC 2002
Peter,
in het boek _Nederlandse Dialectkunde_ blz. 210 lezen wij over WGERM. a^ :" Voorts heeft men een lange scherpe ee in een deel van Zuid-Beveland (bijv. Kruiningen), eej, ee, ei en ai in Noord-Holland benoorden het IJ, Tessel en Vlieland, een klank tussen ee en ae in Het Gooi en N.-Utrecht." Men ik weet niet, van welke gebied de kolonisten gekomen zijn. Natuurlijk heeft 'kaas' geen WGERM. a^, omdat dat en leenwoord is, maar het is met WGERM a^ tesammengevallen.
met vriendelijke groeten,
Fritz
>>> "Peter A. McGraw" <pmcgraw at LINFIELD.EDU> 01/16/02 09:48AM >>>
Can anybody suggest a source of information on this folklore figure? Or a
source connecting Kees with cheese? The modern standard Dutch word for
cheese is kaas, while Kees is a nickname for Cornelius. Jan-Kees is a
common enough compound first name in Dutch, with no echo of a folkloric
figure of ridicule as far as I can tell, and certainly no connection with
cheese. So I'm at a loss for an internal Dutch explanation for a
connection between Kees and cheese. Well, maybe not completely at a loss:
given that both the German and the English cognates have an umlauted vowel,
I suppose a Dutch dialect with umlaut might be the source of a form
kees=cheese, but this is just a guess. (I should perhaps check my big
Dutch dictionary when I get home to see if it sheds any light.)
Peter Mc.
--On Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:56 AM -0500 "Dennis R. Preston"
<preston at PILOT.MSU.EDU> wrote:
> Joe; I think you have this backwards.
>
> One proposed etymology does indeed come from the Dutch Jan Kees (John
> Cheese), the traditional nincompoop in Dutch folklore. The
> explanation is, therefore, that the Dutch saw their surrounding
> English-speaking neighbors as nincompoops and laid this "Jan Kees"
> label on them. The rest is interlingual phonological history.
>
> What's the latest word on this proposed etymology? I guess I reckoned
> it to be a fairly well-established one (so much so that Roger Shuy
> and I reported it as gospel in the old language variation films we
> made for USIA), but the word history hunt is doubtless filled with
> new findings I haven't followed.
>
> dInIs
>
>
>
>> Another food-related ethnic tag might be "Yankee"
>>
>> According to some source I have since lost, the term came from the
>> English settlers of New York, who called the cheese-loving Dutchmen who
>> populated the area "Jan-Cheeses." Does this explanation ring a bell for
>> anyone? --Joe F.
>
>
> --
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Peter A. McGraw
Linfield College * McMinnville, OR
pmcgraw at linfield.edu
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