The Finger/the birdbi

[Dennis R. Preston]

Where's the fish?

dInIs

>>         Although the bird itself, I understand, is quite old, the OED takes
>>this meaning of "bird" back only to 1968 - 1970 (which is shortly before I
>>first heard the "finger" so called).  So:  Which came first, the bird or the
>>perch?
>
>The finger gesture is old ... compared to young me, that is. I did not know
>"the bird" in this sense ca. 1960; I think I heard it around 1970. Before
>that I heard usually "the finger" IIRC. HDAS shows this "bird" from 1966.
>
>As for the perch, that's a fish, not a bird. The way I recall it, when I
>was young(er) -- too young for the "dozens" or even the "sevens", maybe
>doing the "half-dozens" -- before I knew "the bird" as a gesture -- one
>line was something like "Do you like fish?" If answered "No", then of
>course one put forth something like "Then here's some meat for you"; if
>answered "Yes", one could say "Then perch on this." (With rude gesture
>[usually not exactly the one-finger salute, though] in either case,
>followed by [optional] yuk-yuk, arm-punch, palm-slap, etc.) I'm sure there
>were other versions just as witty and elegant.
>
>-- Doug Wilson