pom / palm
Anne Gilbert
avgilbert at PRODIGY.NET
Sun Jul 14 02:43:51 UTC 2002
Dale:
> For me palm, balm, almond, Palmer, calm are pronounced without /l/ and are
> exactly the same as pom, bomb, Com-. This I think I am right in saying,
was
> the usual Northern US way of doing things, until the spelling
> pronunciationists got involved and the /l/s came back in, cf. "often" with
> /t/. I think it was Thomas Murray in a St. Louis study who showed that
the
> lower classes maintained /l/-less ness in these words, but the upper
classes
> were putting them back in after centuries of having been lost. In E. New
> England there was also no /l/ in the good old days, but the vowel of palm
was
> the same as the vowel of r-less car (so calm and car have the same low
front
> vowel, lower and distinct from ash) while Com-, etc. has a low back
rounded
> vowel, the same as the vowel in Caught.
> Don't know what the Southern situation is, but would guess that /l/ is
> coming back there too....or is it possible that it's always been there
> through the centuries at the dialect level? Does the UK have /l/ in these
> words in any dialects? I don't think so, certainly not in RP. /l/ was
also
> lost after ash (half, calf, salmon, and should be lost in salve, but
> especially in the verb has made a big comeback for those who use it in, in
> Shakespeare, for example), or in folk, yolk.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the distinct impression that the
sounded l in those words was NE US. I don't know about the South either,
but I can't recall anybody in Central Texas sounding the l's in those word
either.
Anne G
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