phrases whose literal meaning...

Herbert Stahlke hstahlke at WORLDNET.ATT.NET
Mon Nov 4 01:25:51 UTC 2002


But aren't "How do you do?" and its even more truncated for "Howdy" examples
of something even further removed from intent than an indirect speech act?
These sound rather more like instances of what Malinowski called phatic
communion, where it's the verbal social interaction that's important not the
communication of intent.

Herb

> When the grammatical form of  a sentence does not match up with the
> "intent" such a form usually carries, people in pragmatics refer to
> it as an "indirect speech act" or, simply "indirectness." For
> example, The interrogative "Is it cold in here?" could actually be a
> "request" or "command," the latter having direct expression in "Shut
> the window you bozo!" (Well, the 'you bozo' part could be a little
> gratuitous.)
>
> There are many more "intents" or "speech acts") than there are
> grammatical forms, so this mismatch (or indirectness) is inevitable.
> On the other hand, Brown and Levinson, in their famous "Politeness,"
> explored the idea that much language indirectness comes from self-
> and other-face-protection. "Do you have a dollar?" is less direct
> (and does not threaten the speaker's or hearer's "face") than "Gimme
> a dollar."
>
> Note that a "speech act joke" (perhaps the lowest form of humor) can
> be accomplished (if the word "accomplishment" can be used in such a
> case) one's pretending interpreting a grammatical question directly
>
> "Do you have a dollar?"
> "Yes."
> "Well, will you loan me a dollar."
> "Oh. Did you want me to loan you a dollar?"
>
> dInIs
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> >>At 11:14 AM -0500 11/3/02, James A. Landau wrote:
> >>My daughter needs to know the term to be applied to phrases whose
literal
> >>meaning is one thing but which are universally interpreted as something
else.
> >>  Her examples are "How do you do?" which literally asks "How are you?"
but is
> >>used merely as "Hello"; and one from Hebrew, "mazel tov" which literally
> >>means "good luck" but is universally used as "congratulations".
> >
> >
> >Aside from "idiom" and perhaps "expression"  I don't think there's a
> >term for this, but I have a few good examples:
> >"Break a leg" --  (in theater; = Good luck!)
> >German: "Hals- und Beinbruch!"  (literally: Neck and leg break!) i.e.
> >You should break your neck and leg.  = Good luck!  (This German
> >expression is probably the source of English "Break a leg!")
> >"Kick the bucket" ( = die)
> >
> >     Also, a lady from South America told me that she had a job in
> >Florida, and her boss had to leave the store for an hour or so.  As
> >he left, he told his employee that she should "hold down the fort."
> >The lady is very conscientious
> >and wanted very much to carry out her boss' order, but even though
> >she understood each individual word ("hold," "down," "fort"), she had
> >no idea what the boss wanted her to do.
> >
> >    She was very nervous the whole time, since the boss might be upset
> >upon his return that she had not held down the fort, whatever that
> >meant. Of course, everything turned out fine, but she still vividly
> >remembered the incident and her discomfort when she told me the story
> >some years later.
> >
> >Gerald Cohen
>
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