French/Hungarian

[Dennis R. Preston]

>Even if he was Polish, he would be KERtesh (penultimate stress).

dInIs

>Years ago one of the announcers on a classical music station in a major
>city in the Pacific Northwest used to refer to Istvan Kertesz as *IstVAN
>KerTESH, which irritated me and would probaby infuriate dInIs. I never
>knew if the person thought that Kertesz might be Polish or thought
>that the accent marks on the a and final e in Kertesz indicated stress.
>
>allen
>maberry at u.washington.edu
>
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>
>>  Frenchification (as the unmarked "foreign" pronunciation) is also a
>>  good MA thesis (which I have never seen). I'm always amazed to hear
>>  Hungarian words (with their stress unfailingly on the first syllable)
>>  rendered with a French stress (on the end, of all places!). I have
>>  even head classical announcers deliver barTOK and koDALY, made even
>>  funnier by their almost correct rendition fo the -daly syllable.
>>
>>  dInIs
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>>  At 10:14 AM -0700 9/25/02, Anne Gilbert wrote:
>>  >Fritz:
>>  >
>>  >  > BTW, no one (at least that I have seen) has mentioned the Taj
>>Mahal. TaJ
>>  >or TaZH?
>>  >  > Fritz Juengling
>>  >
>>  >... As for TaJ or TaZH Mahal, I've heard both.
>>  >Anne G
>>
>>  It's not so much that we're allowed to anglicize foreign names, which
>>  as dInIs points out (re Paris, Vienna, Spain, China, etc., we do all
>>  the time), but that we "correct" the standard (English)
>>  pronunciations of names like "Beijing" and "Taj" (with the affricates
>>  that presumably did a pretty good job of representing the original
>>  pronunciation) to the hyper-foreign, Frenchified forms (with the
>>  fricatives) in the vain belief that NOW we're really doing a better
>>  job of it.  I almost always hear and, to be honest say "Taj Mahal"
>>  with a fricative, but I'll get around to reforming that once I've
>>  mastered the affricate on "Beijing".
>>
>>  larry
>>
>>  --
>>  Dennis R. Preston
>>  Professor of Linguistics
>>  Department of Linguistics and Languages
>>  740 Wells Hall A
>>  Michigan State University
>>  East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
>>  Office - (517) 353-0740
>>  Fax - (517) 432-2736
>>

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Dennis R. Preston
Professor of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics and Languages
740 Wells Hall A
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1027 USA
Office - (517) 353-0740
Fax - (517) 432-2736