/zh/ replacing /dzh/?

[Laurence Horn]

At 7:17 AM -0400 9/26/02, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>I wonder if further prodding of these students might bring out the
>fact that form/shape (elegant vs. inelegant) might also play some
>role?
>
>dInIs

No doubt; also, if it's greasy, and especially if it's greazy, it's a VEYS.

>
>>At 7:09 PM -0400 9/25/02, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>>larry,
>>>
>>>Does this mean I take my beater to the /gradzh/ but the chateau has
>>>an attached /garazh/?
>>>
>>>dInIs
>>>
>>>This is not entirely with tongue-you-know-where; s I grew up (in
>>>Loo at vul), I came to have a meaning for /grisI/ which suggested a fine
>>>or delicate oil and reserved /grizI/ for the unmarked sense - You
>>>been workin on the car and are all greasy.
>>
>>Actually, the last time I brought up the VAHZ/VEYS distinction in
>>Dialects class, it was during the discussion of an article on
>>greasy/greazy (Atwood's classic from 1950) in which the point you
>>make was made, although in that case different speakers who have a
>>semantic distinction appear to draw it at different places, or should
>>I say textures or functions, which appears not to be true for the
>>more monotonic variation on the flower-holding object, where the only
>>relevant parameter is how expensive it has to be to count as a VEYS.
>>
>>larry
>>
>>>>...According to my students, it depends on the value/price.  Over $300
>>>>or so, it's a VAHZ.  Otherwise, just a VEYS.  I guess that may be
>>>>seen as going along with "affectation".
>>>>
>>>>larry
>
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>      Asian & African Languages
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