the long and the short of it

[David Bergdahl]

Bev wrote:

Mark's system is the one I remember too.  "Short o" is actually the /a/ of
'hot', 'pot', etc. (as opposed to the 'long o' of 'note').  But what about
'ah' [a] in 'father' and 'pasta' (Italian-style)?   Was there really no
name for that?

broad A & flat A