FWIW: NYU librarians and "Jazz"

[Dave Wilton]

I'm less worried about the misspelling of my name than by the claim that I
am six years old.

> are typos; they should read 1918." --From "Wordorigins," ed.
> David Walton (1997-2003)<http://www.wordorigins.org>

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>  From: Kent Underwood (kent.underwood at NYU.EDU)
> Subject: Re: [MLA-L] More on first citation of "jazz"
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> Date: 2003-09-08 07:50:11 PST
> Respondents to my posting on Friday (below) point to the
> Oxford English Dictionary entry on "jazz," which gives a 1909
> gramophone recording "Uncle Josh in Society" as the earliest
> citation.  Uncle Josh did get around, but OED2, it seems, is
> wrong about the 1909 date, i.e.,
>
> "The true etymology of 'jazz' is complicated by several
> infamous errors,
> which keep recurring in popular accounts of the word's origin.  Even
> the venerable OED2 makes an error.  The big dic [sic] first cites the
> term as appearing in 1909 on a gramophone record 'Uncle Josh in
> Society.'  This is an error.  The term didn't appear on the 1909
> pressing of the record, but on a later, 1919, edition.  Also
> two French
> dictionaries, 'Le Nouveau Petit Robert (1993) and 'Grand Larousse
> Dictionnaire de la Langue Francais (1975) reference a 1908 use.  These
> are typos; they should read 1918." --From "Wordorigins," ed.
> David Walton (1997-2003)<http://www.wordorigins.org>
>
> And this from George Thompson, who discovered the now
> reigning 1912 Los Angeles Times citation:
>
> "I first posted the 'Jazz Curve' to the discussion group of
> the American Dialect Society, ADS-L.  One of the other
> members, Prof. Gerald Cohen, has devoted two issues of a
> newsletter he publishes to the history of the word 'jazz.'
> Some months ago he sent several messages to ADS-L
> demonstrating that the record that's the source of the OED's
> 1909 citation for 'jazz' was a version recorded in the late
> 1910s, if I remember, 1918.  I was involved in a discussion
> about the correct dates of the citations in the French
> dictionary.  I believe that all these discussions are
> excerpted in Cohen's latest compilation of material is a 91
> page survey of what is known about the history of jazz: vol.
> 32, #4-5 (2002) of 'Comments on Etymology.'  If anyone is
> interested in it, it may be bought from him at the Dept. of
> Applied Arts and Cultural Studies, Univ. of Missouri at
> Rolla, Rolla, Missouri, 65401 (or gcohen at umr.edu)  The cost
> will probably be about $8 or $10; it's an installment of a new
> s letter on the history of slang that sells for $15/year."
>
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> Kent Underwood
> Music Librarian, New York University
> Email:  kent.underwood at nyu.edu
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kent Underwood <kent.underwood at nyu.edu>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2003 6:30 pm
> Subject: [MLA-L] First usage of "jazz" ("jass")
>
> > My NYU colleague George Thompson has turned up, in the Los Angeles
> > Times database, what is evidently the earliest written usage of
> > the word "jazz" (aka "jass") yet reported.  The two stories, from
> > April 2 and 3, 1912, predate the 1913 San Francisco newspaper
> > story commonly cited (in New Grove and elsewhere) as the earliest.
> > As in 1913, though, the 1912 writers are talking not about music,
> > but baseball pitching.
> >
> > Here are the citations:
> >
> > BEN'S JAZZ CURVE.  "I got a new curve this year," softly murmured
> > Henderson yesterday, "and I'm goin' to pitch one or two of them
> > tomorrow.  I call it the Jazz ball because it wobbles and you
> > simply can't do anything with it."
> > As prize fighters who invent new punches are always the first to
> > get their's Ben will probably be lucky if some guy don't hit that
> > new Jazzer ball a mile today.  It is to be hoped that some
> > unintelligent compositor does not spell that the Jag ball.  That's
> > what it must be at that if it wobbles.
> > LOS ANGELES TIMES, April 2, 1912, part III, pg. 2, col. 1
> >
> > [A column of notes and comments about the game, "Around the Bags"
> > by Owen R. Bird in the paper the next day includes the paragraph]:
> > Of course they will want to know what the first ball pitched by
> > each slabster was.  Well, Leverenz got away with a nice straight
> > strike, and Henderson cut the outside corner with a fast curve
> > also for one strike.  Benny calls this his "jass" ball.  LOS
> > ANGELES TIMES, April 3, 1912, section III, p. 3, col. 1
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > Kent Underwood
> > Music Librarian, New York University
> > Email:  kent.underwood at nyu.edu
> > Voice:  212-998-2523
> > Fax:  212-995-4794
> > Snail: 70 Washington Square South, New York, NY 10012
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