Re: Re: dirty words in dictionaries

[RonButters at AOL.COM]

I have only seen IRRUMATION used in English in the sense of 'present the
penis or breast for someone to suck'. This is a very handy word to have available,
since there is no other word (that I can think of) that means that! Of
course, it is not a word that one normally has occasion to use.

I have never seen IRRUMATE used in English to mean 'fuck the mouth', but
maybe I've just missed it.

I don't find either IRRUMATE or IRRUMATION in any of the English dictionaries
that are on my desk at the moment.

In a message dated 6/3/04 8:46:29 PM, douglas at NB.NET writes:


> At 08:02 PM 6/3/2004, you wrote:
> >Yes. I'd like to see how it defines "irrumare", or any of its
> >relatives (irrumatio, irrumator). This word, which means 'to
> >fuck the mouth of' (and is equivalently vulgar), is very
> >common in Catullus, who's often read in first- or second-year
> >Latin courses. It's defined by Lewis & Short as "to commit
> >beastly acts"; it's not in the non-small Cassell's Latin
> >Dictionary I used in high school, and Quinn's student edition,
> >from the 1980s or so, "defines" it as "mentulam in os inserere"
> >(I thought that habit had died a century before). The Oxford
> >Latin Dictionary, which I don't have at home, does give it a
> >reasonable, if overly proper, definition.
> >
> >Jesse Sheidlower
> >
> >P.S. "futuere" might be another one worth checking, of course.
>
> A Latin-English dictionary from ca. 1850 at MoA(Michigan) shows:
>
> "Cunnus" ("the female pudenda ... an unchaste female, a courtesan".
>
> "Cunnilingus", defined only in Latin ("cunnum lingens").
>
> "Fellator" ("a sucker, in an obscene sense").
>
> "Futuo" ("To have connection with a female (very rare)").
>
> "Fututio" ("A lying with, copulation").
>
> "Irrumo" ("To extend the breast to, to give suck; hence, ... To practice a
> kind of filthy obscenity ... To treat in a foul or shameful manner, to
> abuse, deceive ....").
>
> -- Doug Wilson
>
>