Talking Turkey (1837, 1839); Poor as Job's Turkey (1828)

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   For any turkey lurking out there.  I'll re-check these two when Readex comes out with its EARLY AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS in the "second quarter 2004."  So that's--April?

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TALKING TURKEY

   OED appears to have this from 1824, and this would be the second citation.  This citation indicates that it's from the colonial period.

Article 6 -- No Title; THE WISH. AUGUSTA. HELEN. ANNA. EMILY.
The New - York Mirror: a Weekly Gazette of Literature and the Fine Arts (1823-1842). New York: Jul 8, 1837. Vol. 15, Iss. 2; p. 16 (1 page):
   TALKING TURKEY.--The exact signification of this colonick phrase has recently been discussed by some of our contemporaries, and has been finally settled by the Oneida Democrat, which gives an account of its origin.  An Indian and a white man went a shooting partnership, and a wild turkey and a crow were all the result of the day's toil.  The white man in his usual style of making a bargain with the Indian, proposed a division of the spoils in this way:--"Now, Wampum, you may have your choice, you take the crow and I'll take the turkey, or if you'd rather, I'll take the turkey and you take the crow."  Wampum reflected a moment on the generous alternative thus offered and replied--"Ugh! you no talk turkey to me a bit."

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Adams Sentinel - 1/7/1839
...ihe TURKEY." s-jit ihe Indian, "you no TALK TURKEY to me alaii." S POOR. Ii is an old.....pair.ot rnind iv.rti away from j ?'ey lii'k TURKEY to us at a: ihe people will scon lalk.....Indian, who, bur.ting logciher, killed a TURKEY anil a crow, and on c'iviiST the.....sa-ii io tbe Indian "Now'. I'll take the TURKEY, and may have the crow or. if you..
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania   Monday, January 07, 1839  803 k

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POOR AS JOB'S TURKEY

   OED has 1824 for "patient as Job's turkey."  DARE has 1830 for "poor as Job's turkey."

(AMERICAN PERIODICAL SERIES)
Article 2 -- No Title; Paul and Virginia.
The Western Monthly Review (1827-1830). Cincinnati: Oct 1828. Vol. 2, Iss. 5; p. 281 (6 pages)
Third page:  Both of them are poor, as Job's turkeys.

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Edinburgh Advertiser - 12/6/1811
...I presented ray bill, he This makes one AS POOR AS JOB I have just been paying for a.....which I took of old John Hodge, a POOR, but very honest m.in, and who, I dare.....of his M.IJ-TJty's forces in the island, AS weil AS by the inhabitants, who testified.....IE, upon the OHicers under his command, AS well AS the general discipline of the..
Edinburgh, Midlothian   Friday, December 06, 1811  426 k



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