ADS-L Digest - 7 Jun 2005 to 8 Jun 2005 (#2005-160)

[Beverly Flanigan]

At 01:05 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>Please remember that, at least for phonology, it won't do to put
>Carbondale together with metropolitan St. Louis, where the Northern
>Cities Shift is (strangely) present. (See Jill Goodheart's 2004 MSU
>Linguistics MA thesis "I'm no Hoosier.")
>
>The NCS is not only not in Carbondale (except among the Chicago area
>students), it ain't going there either.
>
>Positive anymore is innovative rather than well established in
>strongly South Midland areas. Hanging around Carbondale would not
>have provided sufficient input for it to take in my opinion.
>
>dInIs

This is true in southern Ohio too (and in southern Indiana, I'm sure).  Our
North Midland (central Ohio in this case) students and faculty have
positive 'anymore', but it's just starting to come in in South
Midlanders.  On the other hand, 'needs/wants/likes' + past participle is
more generally Midland, though it appears to have originated in the South
Midland/Appalachian Scotch-Irish population.

Beverly Olson Flanigan
Associate Professor of Linguistics
Ohio University
Athens, OH  45701
1-740-593-4568


>>At 12:03 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>>>Hmmm... But wouldn't Carbondale host a bevy of students from
>>>[Northern-or- Mid-]Southern Illinois who would have fronted?
>>
>>Approximately a third of SIU students stem from the greater Chicago region,
>>another third from the Carbondale region (including St. Louis), and the
>>final third from everywhere else, including international.  Carbondale is a
>>tiny island of melange in the middle of more standard south of I-70
>>southern midwest dialect similar to that found in southern Indiana (right
>>Dennis?).  Alas, I've been gone from C'dale long enough that I no longer
>>have intuitions about whether positive 'anymore' is prevalent there, but it
>>wouldn't surprise me if Rich R. had picked it up one place or another,
>>perhaps from his colleagues and students there.
>>Just to muddy the waters, Dennis Frantz is an alum of SIU also.  But the
>>Northern Cities vowel shift hasn't reached Carbondale, except for the
>>imports from Chicago.
>>
>>Geoff
>>Geoffrey S. Nathan <geoffnathan at wayne.edu>
>>Faculty Liaison, Computing and Information Technology,
>>         and Associate Professor of English
>>Linguistics Program                     Phone Numbers
>>Department of English                   Computing and Information
>>Technology:  (313) 577-1259
>>Wayne State University                  Linguistics (English):  (313)
>>577-8621
>>Detroit, MI, 48202                      C&IT Fax: (313) 577-1338
>
>
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>Dennis R. Preston
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>Department of Linguistics and Germanic, Slavic,
>        Asian and African Languages
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