ADS-L Digest - 7 Jun 2005 to 8 Jun 2005 (#2005-160)

[Beverly Flanigan]

At 09:34 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>At 4:59 PM -0400 6/9/05, Beverly Flanigan wrote:
>>Yes, I noted here a couple of times that I heard it even in my 70-plus aunt
>>and uncle in LA and San Diego (transplants from Minnesota, where AFAIK it
>>isn't used yet).
>>
>>Beverly
>
>I'd be somewhat surprised at that (not that it's present in
>California, especially by the many midwestern transplants, but that
>it's absent from Minnesota), given that as mentioned I heard it a lot
>in Wisconsin from 1977 to 1981.
>
>Larry

It may be in Minnesota by now; I've been gone a long time.  But I listen
for these things every summer when I go up to visit, so I'll listen
again.  My nieces are pretty good barometers of language change.  Fritz,
you're in St. Paul, right?  Do you hear it there?


>>At 03:52 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>>>Positive anymore is very much on the move, west through the Rockies and
>>>on to the coast.
>>>
>>>beth
>>>
>>>beth lee simon, ph.d.
>>>associate professor, linguistics and english
>>>indiana university purdue university
>>>fort wayne, in 46805-1499
>>>u.s.
>>>voice (011) 260 481 6761; fax (011) 260 481 6985
>>>email simon at ipfw.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>  flanigan at OHIOU.EDU 6/9/2005 2:47 PM >>>
>>>At 01:05 PM 6/9/2005, you wrote:
>>>>Please remember that, at least for phonology, it won't do to put
>>>>Carbondale together with metropolitan St. Louis, where the Northern
>>>>Cities Shift is (strangely) present. (See Jill Goodheart's 2004 MSU
>>>>Linguistics MA thesis "I'm no Hoosier.")
>>>>
>>>>The NCS is not only not in Carbondale (except among the Chicago area
>>>>students), it ain't going there either.
>>>>
>>>>Positive anymore is innovative rather than well established in
>>>>strongly South Midland areas. Hanging around Carbondale would not
>>>>have provided sufficient input for it to take in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>dInIs
>>>
>>>This is true in southern Ohio too (and in southern Indiana, I'm sure).
>>>Our
>>>North Midland (central Ohio in this case) students and faculty have
>>>positive 'anymore', but it's just starting to come in in South
>>>Midlanders.  On the other hand, 'needs/wants/likes' + past participle
>>>is
>>>more generally Midland, though it appears to have originated in the
>>>South
>>>Midland/Appalachian Scotch-Irish population.
>>>
>>>Beverly Olson Flanigan
>>>Associate Professor of Linguistics
>>>Ohio University
>>>Athens, OH  45701
>>>1-740-593-4568