as such 'therefore'

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM
Mon Nov 21 15:15:54 UTC 2005

Not only is it nonstandard, it's *thoroughly incomprehensible* to those of us who say "therefore."

  Of the thousands of students I've had, the one I mentioned was the first to use "as such" in this bizarre way - at least in writing.

  So - for the moment - it's still quite unusual.


David Bowie <db.list at PMPKN.NET> wrote:
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Subject: Re: as such 'therefore'

From: Jonathan Lighter
> "Arnold M. Zwicky" wrote:

>> just came across "as such" 'therefore, as a result, and so' in

>> Matt Adams, Hustlers, Escorts, and Porn Stars: The Insider's Guide
>> to Male Prostitution in America (Las Vegas NV: Insider's Guide, 2nd
>> ed. 1999).

>> p. 36: Many hustlers either live at home or live with roommates. As
>> such, many hustlers operate in alleys or back streets where they
>> can perform their services in the front seat of the car or at a
>> secluded outdoor area. [i would have used a commas before the
>> second "or", but that's not what i'm looking at here.

> I had an upper-division student in 2003 who used this construction
> regularly.

You mean this usage isn't standard?

David, who was seriously surprised
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