Chinese "kanji"

[Benjamin Barrett]

Thank you for that reference.

Hiragana is rarely ordered by iroha any more (legal, poetic, etc.), but I
didn't know the katakana were not ordered by iroha. Perhaps that's why the
two orderings have managed to stay extant for 1000 years or more.

Benjamin Barrett
Baking the World a Better Place
www.hiroki.us

> -----Original Message-----
> From: American Dialect Society
> [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel S. Berson
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> Yes.  He writes:  "Hiragana script is arranged in the Iroha
> order, which by itself makes up a famous Buddhist poem."  The
> order is  i ro ha ni ho he to chi ri nu ru (etc.).  And
> Katakana "is arranged in the Gojuonjun, meaning the 'order of
> fifty sounds'."  This order (I assume, following the same
> path in his chart as the Iroha) a i u e o ka ki ku ke ko sa
> (tc.)  Nakamishi, p 94.
>
> Joel
>
> At 10/6/2005 10:11 PM, you wrote:
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> >I've never seen the kanas juxtaposed with different orderings. Does
> >Nakanishi say anything further about it? BB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: American Dialect Society
> > > [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel S. Berson
> > >
> > > True, according to
> > > http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2047.html:  "Katakana is
> mainly used
> > > for writing loan words and the names of persons and geographical
> > > places that can't be written in kanji."  In passing, my source
> > > (Nakanishi) says that the two syllabaries have different
> orderings,
> > > while this site displays them identically.
>