FW: Re: online accent quiz

Scot LaFaive spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM
Sun Dec 3 17:06:06 UTC 2006


>Despite your apparent view of the supremacy of your dialect/idiolect the
>[I]
>does indeed occur as a surface form for many speakers of American English.
>Have you never heard someone pronounce "pen" [pIn]?  It's not a secret.
>It's
>not rare.  It's not wrong it's not evil and it won't ruin the language.

Here, here!

Scot LaFaive


>From: Michael H Covarrubias <mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU>
>Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: online accent quiz
>Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 01:37:51 -0500
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>Poster:       Michael H Covarrubias <mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU>
>Subject:      Re: online accent quiz
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>Quoting Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>:
>
> > The caught/cot distinction
> > won't go because it shouldn't.
>
>This must mean that English lost the [a:]/[a] distinction because it should
>have.  Was there also a requirement that led to the vowel shift?
>
> > You may not care, but there are those
> > that do.  Awe-droppers do the language
> > a disservice, create unnecessary homonyms,
> > thereby lessening intelligibility and ease
> > of learning English.
> > [...]
>
>I doubt I could make a reasonable distinction between necessary and
>unnecessary
>homonyms.
>
> > I have no clue what dInIs is.
> > SAMPA for Dennis?  Both vowels are
> > short i? This does not happen in USA.
> > You must be a Brit?
> > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
>
>Despite your apparent view of the supremacy of your dialect/idiolect the
>[I]
>does indeed occur as a surface form for many speakers of American English.
>Have you never heard someone pronounce "pen" [pIn]?  It's not a secret.
>It's
>not rare.  It's not wrong it's not evil and it won't ruin the language.
>
>Michael Covarrubias
>
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>    Purdue University
>    mcovarru at purdue.edu
>
>    web.ics.purdue.edu/~mcovarru
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